To tell you why the title ‘Prince of Wales’ is an historical insult to the Welsh and shouldn’t exist anymore

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I am Welsh. I was enraged yesterday when the new king decided to ‘bestow’ the title on Prince William, an English Prince without asking the Welsh if they wanted another English Prince of Wales.

here is some historical context from a petition going around at the moment:

The "Prince of Wales" title (Welsh: Tywysog Cymru) is a title historically used by native, Welsh princes since the 14th century. The last native Prince of Wales was Llywelyn the Last, killed by English soldiers in 1282 and his head was then paraded through the streets of London and placed on a Tower of London spike. Llywelyn's brother Dafydd was the first person of note to be hung, drawn and quartered and his head was placed next to Llywelyn's. Both their daughters were taken as infants and children and imprisoned.

But this happened centuries ago you might say. The truth is, that since the days of Llywelyn the Last and the "rebel" Prince of Wales, Owain Glyndwr, the title has been held exclusively by Englishmen as a symbol of dominance over Wales. To this day, the English "Princes of Wales" have no genuine connection to our country.

The title remains an insult to Wales and is a symbol of historical oppression. The title also implies that Wales is still a principality, undermining Wales' status as a nation and a country. In addition, the title has absolutely no constitutional role for Wales, which is now a devolved country with a national Parliament.

As Welsh actor, Michael Sheen put it;

"Make a break there. Put some things that have been the wrongs of the past right. There's an opportunity to do that at that point. Don't necessarily just because of habit and without thinking just carry on that tradition that was started as a humiliation to our country. Why not change that as we come to this moment where things will inevitably change."

I don’t think many people have any concept of Welsh history. I find it offensive and think now would have been a good moment to right a historical wrong.

Why has my post been hidden? It was only a link to a petition about the Prince of Wales petition!

Prince of Wales title, not petition.

Ceredigion didn't... but the rest of Wales did 🤪

Mn only allow petitions on the petitions board

goodness me

yet again

The senior Royals are predominantly mixed English and German descent, it would appear, with British nationality, One's ethnicity does not have to be the same as one's nationality.

I did not say that the king was not British.

It would be fine of course for Rishi to say he was English, up to him how he wants to define his nationality, it's a personal matter of identity.

There are various issues with having a British Royal Prince of Wales. One of them is the history of the title and another that they don't really have a lot of connection with Wales in terms of identity.

I’ve put it on there but it’s still been hidden.

Quite the bigot aren't you.

Brilliantly put, well done!!

To this day, the English "Princes of Wales" have no genuine connection to our country.

? Charles III is a direct descendent of Owain ap Maredydd ap Tudur. The surname was anglicised to Tudor when his grandson, Henry VII took over the throne. There was an entire dynasty of Welsh rulers over England and Wales.

*Swingsarefun · Today 07:23

i don’t mean to be rude*

Just don't say anything then maybe? As you were quite rude.

Why do people claim victimhood on behalf of others from hundreds of years ago, and also expect others to shoulder and be guilty for the sins of their forebears?

Fuck knows.

but it has been several centuries, hasn't it, since there has been a royal with much connection to Wales?

The "Prince of Wales" title was originally given to an English prince as part of the suppression of Wales and in the context of wars between the Welsh and English - and the context hasn't been forgotten today .

Well, it was taught in my (Welsh) school..

Why did we have to have a decision about this the day after the Queen's death? Why not wait and have clear helpful conversations in a month or 2?

Well the much-loved National Anthem clearly refers to the struggle of the Welsh not to be ruled by the English and also the fight to keep the "old speech of Wales"

It is not just a pretty tune, you know.

It has lines about fighting for freedom against a stronger, oppressive neighbour (with some parallels to the Ukrainian anthem)

"This land of my fathers is dear to me
Land of poets and singers, and heroes
Her brave warriors, fine patriots
Shed their blood for freedom
...

1. Though the enemy have trampled my country underfoot,

The old language of the Welsh knows no retreat, The spirit is not bound by the hand of enemies Nor have they silenced the sweet harp of my land.."

Interesting article

nation.cymru/opinion/declaring-a-new-prince-of-wales-with-no-discussion-with-the-people-of-wales-wasnt-right/?fbclid=IwAR0eu14SqxlFEVT8TCPH5r-EYoaDu0vwiRNZ1CNDWacpCL6BTFtuZ2d_0Bs

Name me one town in Wales that is poorer than any other in Europe. Just one.

I'm 100 % Welsh.

People like the OP are an embarrassment to the Welsh nation. Endlessly moaning about events hundreds and hundreds of years ago.

You may be right about the history behind the title ( although 53 years of experience of Welsh nationalists leads me to believe you may have a highly selective view on history), even if you are I DON'T CARE! Pretty much nobody in Wales cares!

Overthrow the monarchy? I don't think waiting to discuss the title of Tywysog Cymru would have led to the collapse of the monarchy? A more collaborative approach might have led to affirmation of the whole process, mightn't it?

It is not as though they don't have enough titles, medals and ribbons, if it was decided not to go with this particular handle.

Oh for goodness sake MNHQ, that post was obviously a joke 🙄

Wasn’t funny anyway.

Well thank goodness it was reported and deleted swiftly. Thank you for your service.