To tell you why the title ‘Prince of Wales’ is an historical insult to the Welsh and shouldn’t exist anymore

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I am Welsh. I was enraged yesterday when the new king decided to ‘bestow’ the title on Prince William, an English Prince without asking the Welsh if they wanted another English Prince of Wales.

here is some historical context from a petition going around at the moment:

The "Prince of Wales" title (Welsh: Tywysog Cymru) is a title historically used by native, Welsh princes since the 14th century. The last native Prince of Wales was Llywelyn the Last, killed by English soldiers in 1282 and his head was then paraded through the streets of London and placed on a Tower of London spike. Llywelyn's brother Dafydd was the first person of note to be hung, drawn and quartered and his head was placed next to Llywelyn's. Both their daughters were taken as infants and children and imprisoned.

But this happened centuries ago you might say. The truth is, that since the days of Llywelyn the Last and the "rebel" Prince of Wales, Owain Glyndwr, the title has been held exclusively by Englishmen as a symbol of dominance over Wales. To this day, the English "Princes of Wales" have no genuine connection to our country.

The title remains an insult to Wales and is a symbol of historical oppression. The title also implies that Wales is still a principality, undermining Wales' status as a nation and a country. In addition, the title has absolutely no constitutional role for Wales, which is now a devolved country with a national Parliament.

As Welsh actor, Michael Sheen put it;

"Make a break there. Put some things that have been the wrongs of the past right. There's an opportunity to do that at that point. Don't necessarily just because of habit and without thinking just carry on that tradition that was started as a humiliation to our country. Why not change that as we come to this moment where things will inevitably change."

I don’t think many people have any concept of Welsh history. I find it offensive and think now would have been a good moment to right a historical wrong.

So you want disassociation from England. Got it.

If you think being Kentish is bad, you should try living in Rutland. Its so small that we can only have six people round at a time, anyone else has to stay in Leicestershire and shout. 😧

I mean, if we are playing historical top trumps how do you think us Irish feel?

Mae posteri mumsnet yn adweithiol iawn yn anffodus. fuck nhw

Anglo-German Princes of Wales

How long does a family have to live in the UK before they are considered British?

I hope you don’t apply the same approach to other immigrants to this country? Is it just the Royal Family who can’t be anything other than German despite having lived here for centuries?

Ye gods. Colonialism has been like a toxin on the planet.
However, I always look to Nelson Mandela and the South African example, and think if they can move on, and create a new rainbow nation from the cruelty, violence and despair of the past, it surely must be possible.

Difference is, they are positive people.

I agree. Abolish the title. English titles for English people

Come over to the Draignet topic.
I started a post yesterday

You’re such a little englander,’j can’t believe you’re not cringing at yourself here mate.

@Culldesack are you this self involved in all aspects of your life?

Actually I think the difference here is you obviously think England is the UK and the UK is England therefore you are unable to disassociate independence from the UK and that being a personal insult.

This will be my last comment to you on this subject because as I keep saying independence is not about England.

I don’t know enough about history but from what you’ve said YANBU. What are the pros to having a price of wales? Is there anything it actually achieves or is it just a tradition that sounds like it started on a very horrific basis.

Little Englander. Always love how that insult is meant to be taken seriously.

Do you also think we should spend time complaining how we were colonised and oppressed by the vikings or the Romans or the saxons? History is the story of conflict for land. At some point you do just have to draw a line under it.

If the OP wants to complain about how Wales as a country is treated today then she absolutely has a point but its to do with government not the Royal family. Hopefully the concept of Royalty will disappear into history over the next few years but that won't help Wales much.

Kind of rude to not provide a translation?

As an Irish woman I find it odd that so many PPs are saying Wales is lucky to be in the UK; it was all a long time ago; wasn't us, it was the Norman's.

Wales is a real country with it's own culture and ethnic identity - just like Ireland. The British invaded and occupied Ireland for 800 years and we retained our national identity and were the first country to get out of the British Empire, so I'm not surprised that Wales has kept its national identity for 700 years.

If William is to be Prince of Wales surely he should be moving to Wales with his whole family, speaking Welsh and captioning Welsh issurs, rather than living in

A couple of PPs have refered to Wales voting for Brexit - it has been shown that the vote swung to yes overall due to high yes votes in in the areas with the highest proportions of people born in England. And those English retirees are in Wales as it's cheaper to live in than many parts of England, as Wales is more economically deprived.

@DownNative you misunderstood my post, I never said anyone on this thread said Scotland and Wales was a burden but that argument is made all the time even from Westminster.

You are here reading the posts though.

The Mountbattens, remember, changed their name from Saxe-Coburg-Gotha after the War.

Anglo-German is very accurate.

What is that meant to mean?!

equating a conquering nation’s nationalism with the nationalism of a nation that said conqueror tried to eradicate - they’re really not the same thing

Well no - the first one is imperialism isn’t it?

I’m not entirely happy about this. I had hoped that Charles would decide that Wales no longer needs a Prince of Wales.

That’s really interesting OP, I didn’t know the history. I understand why you feel insulted.

Me, self involved? I am not the one, who has name changed, to stamp my feet about independence. Your bitterness, of England, is implicit, but easily spotted.

@vera99 yn hollol. Annibyniath.

@Culldesack oh dear you silly silly person. I have only ever had this username but this explain your angry attitude. The only bitterness is from you.

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