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How did she decline so rapidly?

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Maggiethecat · 09/09/2022 09:19

Not really trying to know the cause of the queen’s death although I have wondered but can’t get my head round that picture of her greeting Liz Truss to her death 2 days later.

Initially thought it must have been something acute like a stroke or heart but then it seems like she has been ailing (haven’t really taken note, other than palace statements of mobility issues).

Perhaps she had been bedridden for weeks and made a huge effort on Monday to fulfil her last duty but I’m inclined to think had that been the case more of her family would have been near.

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youmakemesigh · 09/09/2022 12:06

She died of old age. The end.

queenofarles · 09/09/2022 12:07

i thought the marks on her hands looked like she had IV infusion for some time,

Wheredoestheblackfluffcomefrom · 09/09/2022 12:08

As per PP I think the bruising on her hands may have been from a cannula, maybe she was receiving treatment but wanted to her last duty with bringing onboard the new PM.

she would have been dressed and polished by her staff to pull it off so admirably, then possibly straight back to bed after?

SoupDragon · 09/09/2022 12:09

The Paddington sketch is from the Jubilee, it's not something that has been done for her death.

LuluBlakey1 · 09/09/2022 12:11

CaveMum · 09/09/2022 09:32

She had been in decline for a while. Nicolas Wichell more or less confirmed that she had a fall last autumn (she spent a night in hospital but they never said why) and he also said yesterday that there had been rumours for a while of cancer - I did think that was very indiscret of him. She has lost a lot of weight in the last year but that’s not a direct indicator of anything. The bruising on her hand In the last photo has been pointed out by some as a sign that she may have been on a drip, but the elderly often bruise more easily as they age.

I guess we’ll know in a few weeks, the death certificate will be a matter of public record and I’m sure the press will be applying for copies as soon as they can.

I imagine the death certificate will simply say 'old age' as did the Duke of Edinburgh's.

TheClogLady · 09/09/2022 12:12

I haven’t RTFT but the bruise on the queens hand at the meeting with Liz Truss suggests to me that she’d recently had a cannula in place.

(obviously it’s especially bruise-y due to the Queen’s advanced age)

I suspect she has been rather unwell since the jubilee (not much would make the Queen miss the Royal Ascot Races) and has made valiant effort to appear ‘normal’ on her best days.

I doubt her deterioration is nearly as fast as it seems to us, but rightly she was granted privacy over her private medical matters.

of course, deterioration is often extremely fast in people of such senior years.

I’m quite anti royal, really, but despite my issues with the monarchy she was undeniably a formidable lady (mechanic in the war, talented horsewoman, dog lover, quirky sense of humour, managed to not show it when she must’ve been bored off her tits, working mother, albeit with lots of paid help, Queen in her own right, not a consort to a man) who made a vow to the nation and stuck to it to the end, so I’m not surprised we didn’t know much about any behind the scenes illnesses.

picture attached as ‘receipts’ for my opinion, don’t click on it if you aren’t up for looking at an elderly ladies bruise!

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kateandme · 09/09/2022 12:12

People saying her hands were cancer aren’t necessarily true either.
old age,heart failure (which you can live with) is just a tired,old,weak and or poorly body can cause purple,sometimes swollen “ends” so to speak.it’s why you often see it on the elderly legs and ankles.same with hands,even noses! The heart can no longer reach these unimportant bits.it’s is concentrating on the vital organs too.it’s trying to save a life and will slowly cut of it be unable to aid circulation to these parts.

Fizbosshoes · 09/09/2022 12:13

I was speaking with a relative in his 90s. He seemed very shocked and said "they've only mentioned mobility issues, there must have been something else..."
when I thought just the fact that she's nearly 100 was a reason in itself but I didn't mention it since he is close I age.
I think it was probably quite frightening for him as he has had a steady but very significant decline in mobility in the last few years although lives alone and is fiercely independent.

Mummydoingmybest · 09/09/2022 12:13

Maggiethecat · 09/09/2022 09:19

Not really trying to know the cause of the queen’s death although I have wondered but can’t get my head round that picture of her greeting Liz Truss to her death 2 days later.

Initially thought it must have been something acute like a stroke or heart but then it seems like she has been ailing (haven’t really taken note, other than palace statements of mobility issues).

Perhaps she had been bedridden for weeks and made a huge effort on Monday to fulfil her last duty but I’m inclined to think had that been the case more of her family would have been near.

Why does it matter?

sunglassesonthetable · 09/09/2022 12:13

The queen was an immensely important national, international and historical figure. It would be quite normal to ask how she died, even at a great age. I think it's important for history too.
This coyness about death and dying seems to be aligned for many with the belief that it won't happen to them. Sorry, but....

Agree.

The "coyness about death and dying " such a great way to put it.

nokidshere · 09/09/2022 12:17

My FIL died in 1996 aged 73. He and MIL had spent the weekend at our house, he was fit, well, happy and healthy. He drove the 2hrs home on Sunday night.

On Monday morning he went shopping in his local Tesco and collapsed and died right there in the store.

Testina · 09/09/2022 12:17

Teddletime · 09/09/2022 09:28

Sorry to hijack your thread but I wanted to ask about the corgis. She bought a new puppy fairly recently I think. Last couple of years. Who will take them?

That’s one of the most pointless posts I’ve seen regarding the death 🤣

How can anyone here tell you how a family will deal with their deceased mother’s dogs?

I could make up some shit about it being given to little Charlotte to help her with her grief.

Or it could be shot. The royal family like shooting animals 🤷🏻‍♀️

NerrSnerr · 09/09/2022 12:18

@Swimmingpoolsally you have no way of knowing what illnesses she may have had just because you think she may have exhibited a similar symptom to someone else.

I think it's unfair to speculate, she was always private about her health and the public don't need to know.

NippyWoowoo · 09/09/2022 12:20

Swimmingpoolsally · 09/09/2022 09:36

From her hands it was end stage cancer, when my grandmother had the same I was told by the doctors it was because her organs were failing. It’s a sure sign that both death is imminent and it’s end stage cancer.

There's a rumour that it was bone cancer

sunglassesonthetable · 09/09/2022 12:22

Why does it matter?

I don't care if I never know about the Queen personally. But I understand why some want to know. And why it would matter to them. We need to talk more about death.

queenofarles · 09/09/2022 12:22

My god I do admire her more for that, fulfilling her duties till the very end.

Longdistance · 09/09/2022 12:23

My dm was rushed to hospital on Sunday and we were at her bedside. She deteriorated and passed Tuesday morning. It was that quick.

NippyWoowoo · 09/09/2022 12:24

Wishyfishy · 09/09/2022 11:28

That Paddington picture is both awful and hilarious.

Paddington as some kind of grim reaper escorting her to the afterlife? What has Paddington got to do with death and heaven and Prince Philip?

And what has Paddington got to do with the Queen other than that quick skit she did for the Jubilee?

These posts circulating are so maudlin. And I secretly judge people sharing them.

Georgeskitchen · 09/09/2022 12:27

Her frailty escalated visibly when Philip died. I think many suspected she wouldn't be around for long. At 96 after a long and fairly healthy life, she probably just passed away of old age x

OneFootintheRave · 09/09/2022 12:28

Fififelix · 09/09/2022 09:59

To be honest shes had a really good death. I work in nursing it's not normally the way at that age. People are bed bound, they literally waste away every bone visible incontinent, dysphagia need turning it tends to be drawn out. The fact she was standing and shaking Liz Truss hand two days before was brilliant. I hope I go out like the queen.

This is what I wanted to say.

A long and remarkable life.

A very good death.

faw2009 · 09/09/2022 12:32

randomsabreuse · 09/09/2022 09:26

Set a mental deadline (see off Boris for want of a better phrase) then thought "job done". It's not uncommon for people in failing health to hold on against the odds for a much anticipated event (Christmas, Wedding) then die shortly after.

I can imagine the Queen not really wanting Boris to do all the formal bits around her funeral and probably wanted to make very sure that the handover happened. Obviously I don't know this but seems highly possible.

I said this to my husband. He said that was ridiculous. I'm pleased I'm not the only one thinking this!

user1471505494 · 09/09/2022 12:32

The Queen had been out riding last week so I would imagine something happened quickly and possible unexpected. Thankfully it wasn’t a lingering death

youmakemesigh · 09/09/2022 12:37

Shaking hands with the 15th PM would see me off too.

Quartz2208 · 09/09/2022 12:37

She has been declining though since October last year when she starting appearing less and citing mobility issues. Princess Anne was with her in Scotland so I assume was aware it could happen at any time.

WIthin that a very fast decline at the end is I think fairly common

And with Boris Johnson/Liz Truss I imagine she just wanted to try and do it to manage it for one last time what is a huge responsibility and pass on knowing that it is complete and her son King Charles can start his reign without having to do that. It is much easier now it is complete. Having a view would be very much against all of her 70 years of reign. Wanting to leave it completed is not

LiveInSunshine · 09/09/2022 12:45

3 of my grandparents went like this in their late 80s or early 90s. One in sleep, one walking upstairs and one walking down the high street. Up to that point mentally sharp and pretty mobile, able to walk about locally. One was a stroke in sleep, one had a heart condition not picked they think and one was rather inconclusive, but 94.