Page 12 | To be sad that Queen has died but can't wait for the sycophancy to be over

bedtimestoriesforbears · 2022-09-08T20:00:51+00:00

I am no royalist but like many in the same position I am truly moved by today's historical news It is a "once in a lifetime" moment for many of us and I am going to admit that despite strong Republican views I surprised myself by being knocked sideways by news Not that it wasn't expected and that the Queen hasn't had a good life but by the sheer magnitude of what is happening However other threads seem to be dismissing the fact that we can feel both - sadness that an elderly individual who was "known" to all of us has died and an unwillingness to join in the "grief jamboree". I feel like I did when Diana died - I am struggling to recognise the grief others are manifesting and the absolute deferential attitude present here I feel like this will just build and build and we will be exhausted by end of it

MrsAvocet · 09/09/2022 12:24

To be fair, you can have an emotional kind of shock when someone dies even when rationally you know that it's inevitable and not actually surprising at all. When my Mum died I was shocked even though she had been dying for ages. That was part of it in fact. She had been close to death so many times and then rallied that I had kind of stopped believing that it was actually ever going to happen. So when we were told again that she was dying and she actually did, yes, there was an element of shock, even though I knew her condition was not survivable.
I think the shock many people are talking about now is on the same kind of lines. Nobody really believed the Queen was immortal of course and logically everyone knows that at 96 your time is likely to be very limited. But for most of us she has been there for our whole lives, and she has picked up after quite a few health scares recently so I think people are saying it felt like she would be there forever rather than that they actually believed it.
It's an emotional response rather than a logical one but I don't think it is particularly unusual to feel some degree of shock even at an expected death. It's different to the shock you experience if someone dies unexpectedly, particularly in traumatic circumstances of course but it's still real.
I've read and heard a lot of ridiculously OTT responses since the death was announced but I don't think feeling a sense of shock is necessarily one of them.

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 09/09/2022 12:31

Bretonbear · 08/09/2022 22:14

Yes, I imagine you do.

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That made me laugh hard, Bretonbear

Topgub · 09/09/2022 13:07

I dont get all this service to her country rubbish

Its not like she wasn't paid well over the odds for it.

ReneBumsWombats · 09/09/2022 13:16

Topgub · 09/09/2022 13:07

I dont get all this service to her country rubbish

Its not like she wasn't paid well over the odds for it.

And yet most people say they'd hate to do it.

Have you ever had to go to a boring work event full of twats and be incredibly polite and inoffensive to them all?

maddening · 09/09/2022 13:37

ReneBumsWombats · 09/09/2022 13:16

And yet most people say they'd hate to do it.

Have you ever had to go to a boring work event full of twats and be incredibly polite and inoffensive to them all?

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I would do it for the right money.

Hambledy · 09/09/2022 13:40

This one is quite disturbing. Is that a fox? Why?

To be sad that Queen has died but can't wait for the sycophancy to be over

IHateWasps · 09/09/2022 13:41

This one is quite disturbing. Is that a fox? Why?

It's a corgi.

Hambledy · 09/09/2022 13:45

But corgis have wings!

Don't mess with me now.

Swizandswap · 09/09/2022 13:58

It defiantly says some thing about the personality of some posters on MN when even Vladimir Putin can shows more compassion and sends his condolences to the royal family during war with the west.

Elizabeth did more for many than any of us will ever achieve in our life time and the fact that she acknowledged right from an early age that she was born into pivalate and was lucky to serve and carried this out until the day she dies, shows she was far more of a decent person than the bitter twisted people on here who are only trying to act smug and self righteousness when in realty most will read this thread and shake there head and think idiots.

if you don't agree with me don't bother quoting me for a response as I have no interest in replying to such shallow vile people.

minou123 · 09/09/2022 13:59

Who is she with?

Philip didn't have white hair.
He didn't have any hair at all.

Whose is this man?

minou123 · 09/09/2022 14:00

who is this man?

IHateWasps · 09/09/2022 14:01

if you don't agree with me don't bother quoting me for a response as I have no interest in replying to such shallow vile people

Well that's us told! Not that I care a jot either for the opinion of anyone who uses "Putin" and "compassion" together in the same sentence.

ilovesooty · 09/09/2022 14:07

Swizandswap · 09/09/2022 13:58

It defiantly says some thing about the personality of some posters on MN when even Vladimir Putin can shows more compassion and sends his condolences to the royal family during war with the west.

Elizabeth did more for many than any of us will ever achieve in our life time and the fact that she acknowledged right from an early age that she was born into pivalate and was lucky to serve and carried this out until the day she dies, shows she was far more of a decent person than the bitter twisted people on here who are only trying to act smug and self righteousness when in realty most will read this thread and shake there head and think idiots.

if you don't agree with me don't bother quoting me for a response as I have no interest in replying to such shallow vile people.

"I'll say what I want and don't expect to be challenged whatever I've said about people with a different viewpoint".

LyingWitchInTheWardrobe · 09/09/2022 14:14

Swizandswap · 09/09/2022 13:58

It defiantly says some thing about the personality of some posters on MN when even Vladimir Putin can shows more compassion and sends his condolences to the royal family during war with the west.

Elizabeth did more for many than any of us will ever achieve in our life time and the fact that she acknowledged right from an early age that she was born into pivalate and was lucky to serve and carried this out until the day she dies, shows she was far more of a decent person than the bitter twisted people on here who are only trying to act smug and self righteousness when in realty most will read this thread and shake there head and think idiots.

if you don't agree with me don't bother quoting me for a response as I have no interest in replying to such shallow vile people.

You are beyond silly if you think condolences from Vladimir Putin make a wit of difference to the absolute scumbag war-mongerer that he is. He's facilitated the slaughter of thousands and thousands.

But, he's said 'Soz about queenie', so that's ok? Wow.

You're alright, I don't want or need a response. I can't imagine how you'd top your first post.

PerfectlyPreservedQuagaarWarrior · 09/09/2022 14:15

Swizandswap · 09/09/2022 13:58

It defiantly says some thing about the personality of some posters on MN when even Vladimir Putin can shows more compassion and sends his condolences to the royal family during war with the west.

Elizabeth did more for many than any of us will ever achieve in our life time and the fact that she acknowledged right from an early age that she was born into pivalate and was lucky to serve and carried this out until the day she dies, shows she was far more of a decent person than the bitter twisted people on here who are only trying to act smug and self righteousness when in realty most will read this thread and shake there head and think idiots.

if you don't agree with me don't bother quoting me for a response as I have no interest in replying to such shallow vile people.

You appear to have misunderstood how the forum actually works. Are you perhaps insensible with grief? That would be the kindest explanation.

ReneBumsWombats · 09/09/2022 14:17

That post almost got me. The last line was very clever, since it was bound to spark responses and that of course was the purpose, but it also jumped the gun.

ReneBumsWombats · 09/09/2022 14:18

Jumped the shark, I meant. Sorry. Not well at the moment.

Hambledy · 09/09/2022 14:20

Maybe the white haired man owns the fox?

rummybunns · 09/09/2022 14:34

@Swizandswap Well said 👏

It fair made me chuckle. I seems the usual suspects are happy to slag off dear Lizzy now she has passed with no chance to reply and yet when some one chooses to ignore and not reply to them they feel insulted 😂

ilovesooty · 09/09/2022 14:40

Who are "the usual suspects" then?

ImAvingOops · 09/09/2022 14:42

Watching itv now - there's a Roman on saying that the public doesn't have an appetite for a big monarchy with members who have no clear purpose, at a time when many are choosing between heating and eating. Nice to see some deviation from the wall to wall fawning!

ImAvingOops · 09/09/2022 14:43

Roman? Woman!

MrsTerryPratchett · 09/09/2022 14:45

The BBC complaint record was broken when Phillip died, I think they had well over 100,000 complaints about the blanket coverage. You’d think they’d have learned from that.

This is the issue with royalty. In a rational country a very old man with a slightly dodgy history of racist remarks, who happens to be married to the Head of State would get very little overage. But because he's Royal... suddenly it's a major event to everyone. Not just his family.

A 96 yo woman died yesterday, surrounded by family, receiving the best healthcare money can buy in the lap of more luxury that is imaginable to most of us. I work in housing/homelessness and yesterday I had to assist someone who was doubled over, unconscious and I believed might be dead. Happily, they lived. No decent healthcare, no family around them, definitely not 96. 3 people were there to care about that person and their circumstances are infinitely more shocking and tragic than this.

It's not that I don't understand why people feel compassion for strangers, it's the choice of extremely priviledged Royals I find confusing. I know so many people who have had a life of service who are poor and unknown. And they die in obscurity.

PerfectlyPreservedQuagaarWarrior · 09/09/2022 14:55

ilovesooty · 09/09/2022 14:40

Who are "the usual suspects" then?

The voices in her head.

YourLipsMyLipsApocalypse · 09/09/2022 15:01

Swizandswap · 09/09/2022 13:58

It defiantly says some thing about the personality of some posters on MN when even Vladimir Putin can shows more compassion and sends his condolences to the royal family during war with the west.

Elizabeth did more for many than any of us will ever achieve in our life time and the fact that she acknowledged right from an early age that she was born into pivalate and was lucky to serve and carried this out until the day she dies, shows she was far more of a decent person than the bitter twisted people on here who are only trying to act smug and self righteousness when in realty most will read this thread and shake there head and think idiots.

if you don't agree with me don't bother quoting me for a response as I have no interest in replying to such shallow vile people.

Very very interested to know what she did for me personally.