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my boyfriend likes Andrew Tate....emotional support please?

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PinkStarAtNight · 06/09/2022 22:12

so I only really came to know of Andrew Tate a few weeks ago when he got banned from the internet and it was on LBC. The way they described comments that he said reminded me of a guy I had overheard my boyfriend laughing at when he was watching TikTok. I had raised an eyebrow at what I heard and my boyfriend had laughed and said 'he's saying everything tongue in cheek, but to be honest a lot of what he says is true.'

I didn't think too much of it until I heard the show on LBC saying he had been banned for his misogynistic comments and harmful influences on young people and they quoted some of what he said...I went to my boyfriend and asked him if this was the guy he sometimes watches clips of. He said yes, it was. We then had a conversation about him being banned and boyfriend said he didn't think he should have been banned, because its cancel culture and all Andrew Tate did was express his opinions. I said that he was spouting misogynistic comments and it was awful/could have a negative impact on young men/as a society we can't allow those sorts of comments etc so of course he should have been banned.

In the last couple of weeks we have had numerous conversations about it, where we have both been tried to be calm and listen to each other's opinions. His argument is that Andrew Tate is standing up for men everywhere who feel oppressed by society and feel that their mental health issues are not recognised or taken seriously. He quoted how men are more likely to commit suicide and don't feel able to talk about their feelings, and women just want to try and 'fix' them by using methods that help women, like talking...but men don't like talking, it doesn't work for them, the thing that works for them is to 'go into' their masculinity.

Recently boyfriend has started saying things like 'women take advange of men', 'women are like annoying children', 'women want to work less than men' etc etc etc...he never said these things before watching Andrew Tate. He's says that Andrew Tate has 'set men free' and made it so they can finally speak their minds. And the fact that he got cancelled as soon as he did that, shows that society isn't ready to listen to men's problems and we (the women, because apparently women have taken control of society) just want to "shut them down". He gets very angry and emotive about this.

After me trying to talk to him more about the problem with some of the things Andrew Tate says, Boyfriend said that when it came to the misogynistic comments the media have misquoted him. So - tonight I sat down and watched some of his interviews on YouTube. I could barely stand to sit through them. The stuff that comes out of his mouth is vile. I started to send boyfriend messages quoting what Andrew Tate was saying in the interview I was watching...

for example:
"a father who is around for his child is like a second mother...a mother is there to keep a child alive, a father is there to make an impact"

"if you're there all the time you're gonna lose to an degree you're mystery....

"the biggest mistake fathers make is that they let the woman convince them that to be a good father they have to be there all the time....a man used to be at war or down in the coal mines...now he's at home changing nappies like a punk"

"For a female to retain her attractiveness to a man she has to retain a air of mystery..."

"If we accept biology no man is completely a one woman man...the male evolutionary imperative is not to have just one female....now there are dudes out there who will disagree with me but those are dudes that have got low testosterone and they ain't got no money and they ain't nothing...'

'Women are essentially like children"

"Chicks don't pay for anything"

I sent these quotes to my boyfriend, and pointed out to him to that in fact his idol had just insulted him, because my boyfriend firmly believes in being faithful in a relationship and never cheating...and yet Andrew Tate says that my boyfriend thinks that way because he 'has low testosterone and is nothing'.

Boyfriend has now blocked me, after sending the above messages to him.

I feel so upset and confused. I wish I could talk to my girlfriends but tbh they already don't like him very much and if I'm overreacting I don't want to get them all riled up and make it a thing for them to bring up when we get together, but I need a bit of a hand hold so I'm coming here.

Be gentle please. I don't know if IABU or what to do, I just feel upset/angry/confused. Maybe I should be trying to understand his point of view more but I just can't get my head around it.

OP posts:
Octomore · 06/09/2022 22:41

Just dump him already. Why would you want this misogynist idiot in your life

BobMortimersPocketMeat · 06/09/2022 22:41

The best way to stop your misogynist boyfriend being a misogynist boyfriend is to make him not your boyfriend.

Why would you waste a single moment more on this arsehole? Be glad you’ve found out how he is before he’s your husband and father if your children, and revel in being free.

FatFilledTrottyPuss · 06/09/2022 22:42

Your boyfriend sounds dim at best, but massively misogynistic more realistically. Get rid before he grinds you down.
On a side note, why on earth are the press making such a big deal of Andrew Tate being banned? I bet so many more people have heard of him now than had ever heard of him 2 weeks ago?! It should have been a story about a misogynistic man who will remain unnamed being banned. He’s fast becoming king of the incels thanks to all this free publicity 😤

OneTC · 06/09/2022 22:42

People with girlfriends are into him? Wow I thought he was an incel hero

OneTC · 06/09/2022 22:43

Oh yeah and fuck going out with someone that stupid. Avoid

ThermoSpooklear · 06/09/2022 22:44

How long have you been together and do you have children?

IMustMakeAmends · 06/09/2022 22:46

Today is the first day of the rest of your life without this pathetic turd of a man in it.

Embrace life, move on, let him fester. And listen to your girlfriends next time - if they know him and don't like him it is probably for good reason...

Sevenwondersofthewoo · 06/09/2022 22:47

Hasn’t he already dumped you as he’s blocked you that’s what I’d think at any rate if not

run!!!

Stompythedinosaur · 06/09/2022 22:50

I mean, the problem isn't that he watches Andrew Tate, it is that you have discovered your bf is a misogynistic and probably pretty stupid and easily led.

Horrible shock for you, but there is no solution beyond moving on.

Fraaahnces · 06/09/2022 22:51

I’d break up with him for that alone. The ick factor would be instant.

SquareVertical · 06/09/2022 22:52

If he's blocked you, I take it you don't live with him? Change the locks! And then get yourself a real man. I hadn't heard of Tate until he was banned and he is dangerous. Your boyfriend wants to emulate him, I think you need to heed your friends on this one and dump him.

PinkStarAtNight · 06/09/2022 22:52

My boyfriend honestly isn't usually a misogynist! We've been together four years now and its only in the last few months that he's started to talk like this

He does have issues with anxiety and the fact he keeps saying that men are more likely to take their own lives/be depressed and not reach out and then saying that AT has 'given him a voice' makes me think that this must be driven by some sort of misguided way to try and fix his issues, or talk about the issues in general. Thats why I'm trying to listen to him and understand, because in other ways he is a kind person and a decent man

Its just this that we keep disagreeing on...he keeps saying that men should be able to talk about their issues but society keeps shutting them down....I then say that AT was only shut down because of the misogynistic things he says and the way to talk about men's problems is by calmly and respectfully putting your opinion across and having a civilised conversation. He then says 'women don't do that. Women have attacked men, women now have more power than men, women get to talk about their problems as much as they want and call men 'dicks' and 'bastards' and they get away with it, so now men are fighting back. Get used to it.'

I love this person but he's changed in the last few months. I feel like tearing my hair out and screaming. My mum's advice was 'wait for him to grow up a bit'. But how long do I wait???

OP posts:
MonkNun · 06/09/2022 22:54

Sounds like he’s well and truly fallen down the rabbit hole.

Hugasauras · 06/09/2022 22:55

It sounds like he's going down incel rabbit holes. There are a lot of very angry young men out there and angry young men are dangerous.

saraclara · 06/09/2022 22:58

If someone was, eg, Jewish, they wouldn’t continue a relationship with a man who admired Hitler. If they were Muslim they wouldn’t date a man who admired Tommy Robinson. Any woman who dates a man who admires Tate is basically doing the equivalent of that

Perfectly said.

Even if this Tate guy had any reasonable points (and he doesn't) the fact that your boyfriend agrees with any of it, means that you and he are not compatible in any way.

I consider Tate to be evil. See his reason for deciding to move to Romania, above.
Any man who admires or agrees with even one thing he says, is not worth any woman's time.

pastypirate · 06/09/2022 22:59

Its just this that we keep disagreeing on...he keeps saying that men should be able to talk about their issues but society keeps shutting them down....I then say that AT was only shut down because of the misogynistic things he says and the way to talk about men's problems is by calmly and respectfully putting your opinion across and having a civilised conversation. He then says 'women don't do that. Women have attacked men, women now have more power than men, women get to talk about their problems as much as they want and call men 'dicks' and 'bastards' and they get away with it, so now men are fighting back. Get used to it.'

Op did you literally sit through that lecture from him?

saraclara · 06/09/2022 23:00

My boyfriend honestly isn't usually a misogynist

He is now.

If he unblocks you, any him what he thinks of Tate moving to Romania so that he can rape women without breaking any laws.

babyjellyfish · 06/09/2022 23:00

I'd throw this one back into the sea, OP.

You can do better.

BitOutOfPractice · 06/09/2022 23:01

You know that AT is currently under investigation by Romanian police - where he moved because it’s easier to get off rape charges there according to him - for crimes against women? That’s the kind of man he is.

Listen to your friends. They clearly have the measure of him.

carefullycourageous · 06/09/2022 23:01

Sorry he has changed but you need to accept his views now are incompatible with a respectful relationship with a woman. I'd end the relationship, mourn it and move on.

PickAChew · 06/09/2022 23:04

Never heard of Andrew Tate but he sounds like an utter cock, as does your now ex, who is no sad loss. I'm amazed you didn't dump him, first.

ThermoSpooklear · 06/09/2022 23:06

You're so young, you've got all the wonders of life spread before you. Set yourself free and LTB.

Ellami · 06/09/2022 23:07

Remind me of AT’s qualifications or professions experience in mental health?
Ah yes….NONE.
I work in private mental health service and I can assure you that over 60% of clients are male. It’s up to men to decide to talk or seek help - it’s never been easier or more acceptable than now.
AT is simply the representative of the easily led, mentally soft incel population.
Explain why you’re leaving him and then go.

beastlyslumber · 06/09/2022 23:11

He's already dumped you, and blocked you. Move on.

bozzabollix · 06/09/2022 23:11

He’s been radicalised,, and there’s probably no going back. Accept it and get rid.