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my boyfriend likes Andrew Tate....emotional support please?

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PinkStarAtNight · 06/09/2022 22:12

so I only really came to know of Andrew Tate a few weeks ago when he got banned from the internet and it was on LBC. The way they described comments that he said reminded me of a guy I had overheard my boyfriend laughing at when he was watching TikTok. I had raised an eyebrow at what I heard and my boyfriend had laughed and said 'he's saying everything tongue in cheek, but to be honest a lot of what he says is true.'

I didn't think too much of it until I heard the show on LBC saying he had been banned for his misogynistic comments and harmful influences on young people and they quoted some of what he said...I went to my boyfriend and asked him if this was the guy he sometimes watches clips of. He said yes, it was. We then had a conversation about him being banned and boyfriend said he didn't think he should have been banned, because its cancel culture and all Andrew Tate did was express his opinions. I said that he was spouting misogynistic comments and it was awful/could have a negative impact on young men/as a society we can't allow those sorts of comments etc so of course he should have been banned.

In the last couple of weeks we have had numerous conversations about it, where we have both been tried to be calm and listen to each other's opinions. His argument is that Andrew Tate is standing up for men everywhere who feel oppressed by society and feel that their mental health issues are not recognised or taken seriously. He quoted how men are more likely to commit suicide and don't feel able to talk about their feelings, and women just want to try and 'fix' them by using methods that help women, like talking...but men don't like talking, it doesn't work for them, the thing that works for them is to 'go into' their masculinity.

Recently boyfriend has started saying things like 'women take advange of men', 'women are like annoying children', 'women want to work less than men' etc etc etc...he never said these things before watching Andrew Tate. He's says that Andrew Tate has 'set men free' and made it so they can finally speak their minds. And the fact that he got cancelled as soon as he did that, shows that society isn't ready to listen to men's problems and we (the women, because apparently women have taken control of society) just want to "shut them down". He gets very angry and emotive about this.

After me trying to talk to him more about the problem with some of the things Andrew Tate says, Boyfriend said that when it came to the misogynistic comments the media have misquoted him. So - tonight I sat down and watched some of his interviews on YouTube. I could barely stand to sit through them. The stuff that comes out of his mouth is vile. I started to send boyfriend messages quoting what Andrew Tate was saying in the interview I was watching...

for example:
"a father who is around for his child is like a second mother...a mother is there to keep a child alive, a father is there to make an impact"

"if you're there all the time you're gonna lose to an degree you're mystery....

"the biggest mistake fathers make is that they let the woman convince them that to be a good father they have to be there all the time....a man used to be at war or down in the coal mines...now he's at home changing nappies like a punk"

"For a female to retain her attractiveness to a man she has to retain a air of mystery..."

"If we accept biology no man is completely a one woman man...the male evolutionary imperative is not to have just one female....now there are dudes out there who will disagree with me but those are dudes that have got low testosterone and they ain't got no money and they ain't nothing...'

'Women are essentially like children"

"Chicks don't pay for anything"

I sent these quotes to my boyfriend, and pointed out to him to that in fact his idol had just insulted him, because my boyfriend firmly believes in being faithful in a relationship and never cheating...and yet Andrew Tate says that my boyfriend thinks that way because he 'has low testosterone and is nothing'.

Boyfriend has now blocked me, after sending the above messages to him.

I feel so upset and confused. I wish I could talk to my girlfriends but tbh they already don't like him very much and if I'm overreacting I don't want to get them all riled up and make it a thing for them to bring up when we get together, but I need a bit of a hand hold so I'm coming here.

Be gentle please. I don't know if IABU or what to do, I just feel upset/angry/confused. Maybe I should be trying to understand his point of view more but I just can't get my head around it.

OP posts:
DoingJustFine · 07/09/2022 08:51

They’re so unbelievably committed they’ll have a bizarrely cocky answer for everything that somehow further demonises their focus.

This rings a bell! Like, "We won, get over it," as our supermarket shelves are empty.

WandaWomblesaurus · 07/09/2022 08:53

Now you need to put yourself in a position of safety and self care must be your goal 100%.

It's time to stop worrying about him and what he is thinking and doing.
Talk to your friends and formulate your escape plan - obviously you don't live with him but the emotional escape is as important as anything else.

Block him - get your mindset in the state of endings - the relationship isn't coming back. You need to focus on you now and get on with your life - better to leave now than deal with this man the further down the rabbit hole he goes.

How will you look after yourself this week?

SleepingAgent · 07/09/2022 08:58

ParvuliThankYouDebbie · 06/09/2022 22:26

You don’t need emotional support, you need a taxi 🚖

Yup! Get rid. AT is absolutely FOUL. And it sounds like your BF is heading the same way.

balalake · 07/09/2022 09:00

Time to end the relationship.

SanaT · 07/09/2022 09:07

I don't think OP lives with him? Plus, he's blocked her anyway, so all good. Probably AT has suggested blocking any woman who doesn't pander to you and so the bf is now trying out some kind of "test."

Anyway OP - I heard AT tells his followers never to date a woman over 25 as they will be "too hardened" (!) by then. Women are meant to be "soft" you see. So I don't know how old you are, but he will see any dissent from you as evidence that you are too "hardened" by life. He is best left to it - by 'it', I obviously mean a life wanking on his own.

Would you spend hours / days arguing with a man who has entrenched racist views? Or a religious fundamentalist? Or a white supremacist? No. So why waste time and energy here?

As someone once said - "It is hard to win an argument with an intelligent person. But it is impossible to win an argument with a stupid person,"

pixiecharm · 07/09/2022 09:10

There's too many men with these views now and many will never admit it to you, the fact he so brazenly has is disgusting.
It's not acceptable and it's getting worse and the only thing we can do is to make it socially unacceptable as we have with so many other prejudices.

Have nothing more to do with him or anyone else with these views not just for you but all woman and our daughters.

fabfifty4 · 07/09/2022 09:12

Sounds like you loved the man he was, but not the man he is now. That old adage comes to mind, when someone shows you who they really are, believe them. If he isn't a misogynist , then he's weak, gullible and easily led - either way, is that really who you want to potentially spend the rest of your life/raise children with? Thinking of all of the extreme viewpoints that are out there - and wondering what rabbit hole he'll disappear down next.

Teand · 07/09/2022 09:15

Your boyfriend is a misogynist. Simple.

My boyfriend hates Andrew Tate.

You know he said that the world would be a better place and relationships would last longer if women were forced to have the number of men they've slept with printed on their forehead?

hittheroadjackk · 07/09/2022 09:15

Emotional support from strangers on mumsnet???

You just need to leave.

LarchDragon · 07/09/2022 09:20

Do you live with him OP?
Do you have children with him? Just sons, any daughters?

BeggarsMeddle · 07/09/2022 09:21

Understandably this change in him is bewildering and you're hoping he'll see sense... but the only type of man you ever want to be in a relationship with is one who wouldn't lap up this misogynistic crap.

Your boyfriend may not have made all those points in one tirade but the fact he said them at all is enough. He is a weak man posturing as an Alpha male.

Don't follow your mum's advice.

NellieJean · 07/09/2022 09:24

You may want emotional support but you definitely need a new boyfriend.

ThermoSpooklear · 07/09/2022 09:26

OP, i remember some of your previous posts on MN. I say this with kindness: you need to work on your anxiety, self-esteem and self-image. You need to tune in to what your true thoughts and feelings are about your life and the experiences you have. Get rid of the boyfriend and move out of your mum's place when you can afford it. You deserve so much from life and you deserve to find out who you are and what you want, independent of other people Flowers

newbiename · 07/09/2022 09:26

Andrew Tate has set your boyfriend free?
I'd set him free.

LannieDuck · 07/09/2022 09:29

He's not wrong that more needs to be done to support men's mental health issues. But why does he think the way to achieve that is by attacking the (supposed) equality that women have struggled for decades to build?

He says he wants to improve men's mental health. But his arguments aren't about that; they're about trying to put women in their place.

Sunnydaysunny · 07/09/2022 09:31

You're not safe.

LaughingPriest · 07/09/2022 09:32

He does have issues with anxiety and the fact he keeps saying that men are more likely to take their own lives/be depressed and not reach out and then saying that AT has 'given him a voice' makes me think that this must be driven by some sort of misguided way to try and fix his issues, or talk about the issues in general. Thats why I'm trying to listen to him and understand, because in other ways he is a kind person and a decent man

The Laura Bates book deals a lot with this. How the scammers have taken over the genuine need for better mental health care for men - they've twisted it to their misogynist means. BUT there are orgs that focus on men's mental health without being anti-women. Definitely worth looking into.

He's not kind and decent though. You will not have a happy life with him.

Calmdown14 · 07/09/2022 10:00

Even if his arguments hold up (which of course they don't but I think that's been covered), he has demonstrated that he is someone incapable of independent thinking and easily swayed by others. And shuts down (blocks) anyone who doesn't agree.

Is that really someone you want to make a life with?

RiftGibbon · 07/09/2022 10:05

Absolutely ditch him. It won't get better.

AMindNeedsBooks · 07/09/2022 10:08

When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression.

This is a fantastic quote and one I will use in the future!

OP, it doesn't matter if he's not always spoken this way. He is now and he believes it. AT is a disgusting individual. I didn't know too much about him until your post and the rubbish he spouts is horrifying!

I'm betting he has a huge incel fan base.

Hoppinggreen · 07/09/2022 10:10

Just ditch the Fucker, he will get worse once he’s got you pregnant and trapped

Fimofriend · 07/09/2022 10:17

Please don't fall for the sunk cost fallacy. Your boyfriend may have been a decent person before but now he is a bad person. You need to dump him before he really harms you. He can no longer be trusted.

KosherDill · 07/09/2022 10:29

Bin.

Arenanewbie · 07/09/2022 10:35

I think your relationship with him came to its finish. He showed who he is and you are much better and bigger then him.
I agree with @InstaHun88 . The fact that all your friends didn’t like him was really telling. It can’t be like this.
I can understand you being sad but you obviously were moving in different directions for quite a while.

Juniperjungle · 07/09/2022 10:43

Jesus christ. This man should not under any circumstances be your or anyone else's boyfriend