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Am I unreasonable for how I am handling my daughter being accused of stealing?

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magsel · 06/09/2022 19:09

I share a daughter with my ex wife. She lives with her mum about half the time. My ex also has a stepdaughter through her husband. The stepdaughter and my daughter do not get along.

Around a month ago the stepdaughter lost her Nintendo switch. She has blamed my daughter for stealing it to get back at her for calling her names. My ex has since searched all over her house and through our daughters things for to switch and has been unable to find it. She is now convinced that our daughter has hidden the switch in her bedroom at my house.

I am unconvinced because my daughter is a really bad liar. She has a lot of tells and breaks down very easily when caught lying. When I asked her about the switch she was very insistant that she does not know what happened to it. I did not see or hear any indication she was lying. So unless my 11 old daughter magically became the best actress in the world within the past couple days I sincerely doubt she stole the switch.

Still my ex is insisting that I let her search through our daughters room at my house or search the room myself. I however find that to be a massive invasion of privacy. I tend to think about it from the point of view of when I was a kid. I would have felt violating to have my things searched through. It’s not even like I hid anything suspicious or wrong I just wouldn’t have wanted my stuff rifled through. Based upon how upset my daughter was after her mom did it at her house I imagine she feels the same. I am of the personal opinion that it is only okay to go through my child’s things if I have reason to believe they could be doing something dangerous or if I have proof beyond shadow of a doubt that they did something wrong. Her stepsister simply saying she stole the switch is not enough proof in my opinion.

Things escalated from there and my ex then gave our daughters switch to her stepsister until hers showed back up. A few days later when I went to pick my daughter up she grabbed the switch and quickly got in my car (I didn’t know about this as she had it in her backpack). When I got home my ex called because they found out my daughter had taken her switch. My ex was irate and demanded I bring it back. After thinking about it I refused to because again she had nothing other than her stepdaughter word as “proof”. Therefore I found her punishment unwarranted. Since I was the one who paid for our daughters switch I saw no reason for my ex to demand it be given to her stepdaughter.

After that my ex started taking away our daughters allowance. We normally take turns giving her her allowance every other week. My ex decided that she would be taking away our daughter allowance on her weeks and giving it to her stepdaughter until she had enough to buy a new one. So in return I decided to give my daughter her double her allowance on my weeks.

My ex now says I am undermining her parenting by making decisions without her, but she is also making decisions without me and I think her punishment is unjust. Especially when her stepdaughter did not receive any punishment for teasing our daughter. Obviously things have gotten out of hand, but I’m not sure what else to do because my ex is absolutely convinced our daughter took the switch and is refusing to budge or talk about it. It’s quite odd because normally we coparent very well and rarely have any issue.

OP posts:
Onlytheriver · 07/09/2022 11:29

vivainsomnia · 07/09/2022 10:56

There's also the possibility that she took it to 'teach a lesson', instinctively without thinking of the consequences and it then got out of control and is now too scared to hand it back, so can it deny it. If she'd desperate for it all to go away, she could convince herself that she really hasn't taken it, hence appearing honest.

I'd want to know why mum is convinced she did it. I would expect to be more to it than just 'ss said so'.

A very real possibility but even the CPS would not grant a warrant to search the premises in this case 😆

Onlytheriver · 07/09/2022 11:34

This is the case for the prosecution:

"Around a month ago the stepdaughter lost her Nintendo switch. She has blamed my daughter for stealing it to get back at her for calling her names. My ex has since searched all over her house and through our daughters things for to switch and has been unable to find it. She is now convinced that our daughter has hidden the switch in her bedroom at my house."

Now, the invasion of privacy aside, the stepdaughter who doesn't get on with the OP's daughter has as much motive for lying as the OP's has for lying. They don't get on. They share a bloody bedroom too. It just all seems horribly unfair for the OP's daughter.

Lachimolala · 07/09/2022 11:34

Onlytheriver · 07/09/2022 10:37

There's a lot going on for this little girl. Her parents are divorced and her life is now split between two homes. Then, her Mum gets married, step-dad and step-sis move in (or she moves into step-dad's home). She now has to share a bedroom with this step-sis. She's only 11 and her world seems volatile in terms of the amount of change going on. Her step sister calls her names. She either A) steals the Switch or B) doesn't steal the switch but either way, her own Mum believes her step sister and without any evidence, punishes her (pretty harshly too).

Her life seems chaotic. The OP seems to be the only one in her corner.

Even if she did steal the Switch, I think there seems to be a lot going on which would actually explain the behaviour. I'd be interested to know the answers to a few of the questions asked since your last post OP.

Wrt searching the room, most of us commenting here are mothers. MN is rife with woes about men in female spaces. If you can't grasp that it would be a clear violation of her personal space to search her room (with her present or not), then I hope you change your minds rapidly in relation to the men in female spaces. A man (even if it's your Dad) searching your room when you're 11 is wrong. If her mother was reasonable (which in this situation, she's not), I would possibly support the mother searching the room, but I would never condone a father searching a pre-teen girl's room. She'll have her bras and her underwear and possibly period products which can be very private to little girls.

The living situation at her Mum's house sounds disastrous and her mother's stance and punishments seem ridiculously biased towards the step-sis.

How long is your ex with this man?

There’s absolutely nothing wrong with a parent looking in their child’s room to disprove a stealing accusation, even if that parent is a man and the child is a girl.

Your mind has gone somewhere completely bizarre and very concerning.

Onlytheriver · 07/09/2022 11:35

Lachimolala · 07/09/2022 11:34

There’s absolutely nothing wrong with a parent looking in their child’s room to disprove a stealing accusation, even if that parent is a man and the child is a girl.

Your mind has gone somewhere completely bizarre and very concerning.

Go and say that on the feminism/men in female spaces board.

Onlytheriver · 07/09/2022 11:36

@Lachimolala Did your father ever enter/search your room at that age?

Thelnebriati · 07/09/2022 11:38

Parents need to do their job, which is parenting their own children. Conflating that with strange men in women only spaces is ridiculous.

Lachimolala · 07/09/2022 11:40

@Onlytheriver

Absolutely. He used to help me tidy, help me look for things I’d lost, he go in and search for things I’d left behind, open my windows etc.

There’s a humongous difference in men in female spaces than a parent doing their actual job.

You’re making this very very odd.

AryaStarkWolf · 07/09/2022 11:44

LoveBugBride · 07/09/2022 10:56

This is exactly what I was going to write. She wouldn't need her switch back if she had the other one.

I'll preface this by saying that I'm not suggesting that the girl definitely stole the Switch, obviously I have no idea however as others have pointed out Switches are very personalised all her game history and connections would be on her own, also if she stole it to pay back the SS for calling her names, then her mother giving the SS her Switch would probably seem like a "win" for the SS too so that could also be a reason.

Again I'm not really taking ether side here, it could be the SS lying to get her into trouble but I think the OP should check his daughters room anyway, she is only 11 years old and if it isn't there he's in a more informed position to fight her corner, he only knows what his daughter is telling him and kids are kids, they will only tell the other parent what suits them/their agenda

Coyoacan · 07/09/2022 11:48

Even if she did steal the Switch, I think there seems to be a lot going on which would actually explain the behaviour. I'd be interested to know the answers to a few of the questions asked since your last post OP

Of course. My eight-year-old granddaughter stole from a classmate and was fortunately found out. It was her trying to find a solution to the anger her classmate caused her. I can perfectly understand an eleven-year-old having to share a room with someone unpleasant and not being allowed to slap or poison her, hitting on the idea of taking her switch. Doesn't mean it is right

Isaidnoalready · 07/09/2022 11:54

magsel · 07/09/2022 06:09

I have to say I am rather disturbed by how much many of you would secretly or forcibly creep through your children things in such a situation. It's such an alien perspective to me, but it certainly gives me something to think about.

Honestly I wouldn't but I would say to my child we are going to look through your room together to make other parent happy and diffuse the situation in fairness my children would have zero issues with this

Unforgettablefire · 07/09/2022 12:02

Just search the room even if it's to clear her name. Chances are though if she did take it it's probably not in the house anymore, her room should have been searched in the beginning just so you could say 100% it wasn't there.
Not saying your dd took it but are you prepared to lose face and admit it if she has?

Onlytheriver · 07/09/2022 12:03

Ok then. Would it be ok for the step-dad to search the room?

whynotwhatknot · 07/09/2022 12:03

she may or may not have taken it but i dont see a problem with looking through the room its still your house

your dd doesn sound very happy though i bet she dreads going there

Unforgettablefire · 07/09/2022 12:04

Ps op, if they decided to get the police involved then they would search the room.

NoMichaelNo · 07/09/2022 12:06

Onlytheriver · 07/09/2022 12:03

Ok then. Would it be ok for the step-dad to search the room?

But he isn't, you're being ridiculous.

NoMichaelNo · 07/09/2022 12:07

Unforgettablefire · 07/09/2022 12:04

Ps op, if they decided to get the police involved then they would search the room.

Hahaha!

No, they really wouldn't.

Onlytheriver · 07/09/2022 12:09

NoMichaelNo · 07/09/2022 12:06

But he isn't, you're being ridiculous.

Why is it different?

NoMichaelNo · 07/09/2022 12:10

Onlytheriver · 07/09/2022 12:09

Why is it different?

He's not her biological father.

Are you really dying on this hill?

drkpl · 07/09/2022 12:11

The police don’t have time to go looking for Nintendo switches. The hilarity.

Unforgettablefire · 07/09/2022 12:11

@NoMichaelNo hahahaha oh yes they would it was done to me! I have police in my family trust me if they're called for theft they WILL check that room!

BaronessEllarawrosaurus · 07/09/2022 12:12

Unforgettablefire · 07/09/2022 12:04

Ps op, if they decided to get the police involved then they would search the room.

You do realise they would need a search warrant and they would not get one on the grounds of sd said she did. It takes more than that

Onlytheriver · 07/09/2022 12:12

Unforgettablefire · 07/09/2022 12:04

Ps op, if they decided to get the police involved then they would search the room.

Clearly there's an international crime ring at the child's school where stolen goods are offloaded frequently and there's a SWAT team on stand-by waiting for the 'Go' command.

FFS. It's an 11 year old who has been accused of stealing by her step sister who doesn't like her.

Onlytheriver · 07/09/2022 12:13

NoMichaelNo · 07/09/2022 12:10

He's not her biological father.

Are you really dying on this hill?

He's the step-dad! Why is it different with the biological father?

NoMichaelNo · 07/09/2022 12:15

Unforgettablefire · 07/09/2022 12:11

@NoMichaelNo hahahaha oh yes they would it was done to me! I have police in my family trust me if they're called for theft they WILL check that room!

Okay dear.

NoMichaelNo · 07/09/2022 12:16

Onlytheriver · 07/09/2022 12:13

He's the step-dad! Why is it different with the biological father?

If you can't figure that out for yourself then nothing I say will change your mind.

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