To think we're about to witness a repeat of Labour's wrong Miliband brother moment?

[KenAdams]

How Liz will won above Rishi is beyond me. I mean, I know they're both Tories and we are where we are but her interview with Laura K on Sunday really worried me.

I feel like the country is on a knife edge waiting to see what she will announce and I'm 99% sure it just won't be enough and it will start a chain of events that will make for such a difficult time for this country.

I do think it would be stopped if Rishi were PM or at least kerbed but I feel that the Tory party are about to make the wrong decision with who they chose and with it will bring dire consequences for the country.

I would think it would make them unelectable but if they've selected an ERG PM then who knows any more? Maybe I'm just a cynic but I'm so concerned about the next few weeks and months.

The deference and delusion of many in this country - "He/she has an oxbridge degree!"

I keep reading that mp’s are wanting a coup against her within the first 2 or 3 months.

Will we have another non elected leader?😖Hiw long can this keep going?

@carefullycourageous regardless of her supposed credentials, she definitely comes across as dim.

Many people have Oxford degrees, it doesn't mean they have the skills to run the country

Sure, but I was replying to a post saying she wasn't bright enough, not that she doesn't have the required skills.

I agree- utterly moronic comment.

She’s my MP and is well known for turning up for photo opportunities, then leaving soon after without interacting with anyone. She has no connection to and has done absolutely anything for the area and ignores any emails that constituents send to her, and other than the photo opportunities is never seen locally and her family aren’t based here, as far as I am aware. However, the area is full of elderly retirees who have moved here and vote Tory no matter what - to the extent that she didn’t even bother to campaign here last time but still got a large majority.

All that she is interested in is career climbing and if she becomes PM and gets as high as she can get, hopefully we’ll be rid of her when she inevitably fails, as she is not going to retreat to the back benches and focus on her constituency, which means nothing to her!

I can't bear Liz Truss or her politics, but she isn't thick. She went to Oxford, so I assume she must have got a couple of GCSEs.

The thick jibe is often aimed at female politicians. Diane Abbott is another, Priti Patel and so on.

As for public speaking, that's no indication of ability to govern the country.

Looking at this objectively. What we are now seeing is a reshaping of British politics. It is no longer the worker class woman/man versus rich tories any longer. Brexit changed all of that.

What we are now seeing is a total whole sale shift in our politics - Boris Johnson has been the highest profile casualty of the fall out but we are as a country splintering and continue to do so.
Remainers of all parties with their vision of open borders to all, full EU alignment at every level etc. Contrast that with the Brexit vision of controlled borders and limited EU alignment beyond trade and friendship. I will keep the two limited to those topics, obviously both go far deeper but to avoid a blow up on the thread we will keep it simple. Two totally different ideologies.

This is happening in BOTH parties.

It is happening right now in the Labour party, abeit much more quietly. Labour remainers are aghast at Starmer ditching Brexit and would much prefer a Labour party that supports at the very least, reentry into the single market. They are fracturing over the same vision for the future and policies.

The conservative remainers have ousted Boris Johnson with their continuous in fighting were prepared to sink the whole party, and even the whole country to achieve this.

Conservative remainers should move over to the Liberal Democrats where their views are completely aligned.

Labour remainers should move over to the Liberal Democrats where their views are completely aligned. The Liberal Democrats could become an outwardly Pro EU party and Labour and Conservatives can stay true to their roots, which are far more aligned than anyone anywhere cares to admit!

We can't carry on as we are with such fractured politics - it will harm the country for decades to come.

The membership don't choose the cabinet.

It's neither deferential nor delusional to think that getting into Oxbridge is generally a sign of a reasonable level of intellect. That of course doesn't mean someone can run a country, but that isn't what people are saying.

Cloudonthemountains, having seen her interview yesterday I think that, despite having a degree from Oxford, she is a bit thick.

These are the same people who voted en masse for Boris Johnson. Why expect them to do any better now?

I usually object to bandying around words like fascist but this definition from the Merriam Webster is interesting:

a political philosophy, movement, or regime (such as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of opposition.

Truss is doing a darn good impression.

The deference and delusion of many in this country - "He/she has an oxbridge degree!"

And the willingness of many to twist the meaning of what others have said. The degree was mentioned only in response to a comment that Liz was 'not bright enough' to be PM. My point was that she isn't 'thick'. Nothing to do with your false assumptions of 'deference and delusion'.

Many of the elderly Mail reading folk i know are lapping her up. If she gets a handle on uncontrolled migration the Tories will romp home come election time.

Are you feeling OK ?

She is what sometimes gets referred to as school clever, street stupid? She achieved in education but is a massive dickhead. Nothing to do with being female/blond/schooled in Leeds - she is clearly a dickhead because the stuff that she says is ridiculous.

I can't bear Liz Truss or her politics, but she isn't thick. She went to Oxford, so I assume she must have got a couple of GCSEs.

I know a lot of very clever people who are remarkably stupid.

As the saying goes - Common sense is far from common.

Intellectually clever people who are ideologically captured can be very dangerous, and I think she is. Because she considers herself bright she thinks she knows everything and won't listen either to advice or other viewpoints. She just ignores what she doesn't want to hear.

She is also totally unable to think on her feet if anything goes "off script", and hasn't even the sense to say - I would have to consult a member of X dept about that". Instead she makes up figures and facts. Patel has the same "I know everything and I am never wrong trait". It's not a good one in anyone with power.

Rory Stewart was good

He is just another Eton educated public school toff, expat kid, who has no clue about normal people. He insulted his own constituents by saying they held their pants up with twine and were yokels. This just shows his ignorance. Maybe his party should have put some investment into some of our most northerly towns rather than insulting and patronising them. He has shown himself to be just another rich person who despises those less well off than himself.

I liked his Afghanistan book though. He should stick to journalism.

The membership don't choose the cabinet.

No, but they choose the PM in the full knowledge of who they are likely to appoint to cabinet roles. Many of the members will have voted for Rishi, even if he doesn't win.

Objectively? really?

The conservative remainers have ousted Boris Johnson with their continuous in fighting were prepared to sink the whole party, and even the whole country to achieve this

His cabinet of leavers resigned, his ERG former backers, such as Steve Baker & David Davis demanded he resign.... todays Tory party has few remainers and none have any power.

Boris Johnson caused Boris Johnson to resign, no one else, sleaze and appointing a sex pest did for him, along with double standards and law breaking.

The Tory party turned on Bojo, as he became an electoral liability.

The UK is a fractured society because of him and your party, who govern for themselves and not for the good of us all.

I should have added "or sits like a rabbit in the headlights" after "she makes up figures and facts"

Someone said that you can see her buffering - and that's just what it looks like!

This is exactly it. I understand that she makes the Tories unelectable but there is a LONG time before a GE and people are at breaking point.

You're stretching it. Not sure why you feel the need to argue it - we are not saying you would factor race in. Everyone knows Tory membership is more racist than the population at large. That is going to have played a part. In fact one of my colleagues said this was precisely how her mother had decided

That speech will never leave me