To think we're about to witness a repeat of Labour's wrong Miliband brother moment?

[KenAdams]

How Liz will won above Rishi is beyond me. I mean, I know they're both Tories and we are where we are but her interview with Laura K on Sunday really worried me.

I feel like the country is on a knife edge waiting to see what she will announce and I'm 99% sure it just won't be enough and it will start a chain of events that will make for such a difficult time for this country.

I do think it would be stopped if Rishi were PM or at least kerbed but I feel that the Tory party are about to make the wrong decision with who they chose and with it will bring dire consequences for the country.

I would think it would make them unelectable but if they've selected an ERG PM then who knows any more? Maybe I'm just a cynic but I'm so concerned about the next few weeks and months.

I think the worst moment for the Tories was the moment Cameron announced the referendum. I decided I wanted to leave the day the result was announced. What a shit show it has been ever since. And not likely to get any better.

-limiting protest
-rwanda policy
-windrush policies
-limiting voting access
-constituency gerrymandering to come
-illegal prorogation of parliament
-attacks on travellers
-attacks on trades unions
-attacks on lawyers & judges
-limiting parliamentary power
-threatening to withdraw from international treaties including ECHR

ETC.

Plenty of european countries who had more or similar LD's and furlough, have far better productivity, higher wages, much better help with energy schemes, significant gas storage, higher productivity and a much better trained workforce.

All of them have consistently voted for more left of centre Govt's than the UK.

Even Blair would have been a centre right PM than anything in France Germany, let alone Sweden of Norway.

See where the problem is?

I’m past caring to be honest. This country has got what it voted for and deserves all it gets frankly.

@Upthebracket22 , I don’t see how it could be worse than the Miliband choice. If we’d had David instead of Ed - who any idiot who wasn’t hard left could see was never PM material - we’d probably never have had Cameron or Brexit.

Well for those sitting at home perplexed at why Liz Truss was chosen over and above Rishi Sunak, which in itself speaks volumes about your lack of capacity to imagine anything outside of your own special bubble, that you can not find anything at all you would consider a quality IS quite worrying.

I can tell you why, as someone that voted for her, and I am a party member.

The party, as a whole did not agree with the removal of Boris Johnson. Full stop. I can not underscore that point enough. For sure Boris will be back but that is another thread.

Most thought partygate was blown up by the media to get rid of Boris, and Liz Truss is the closest option to him, she is aligned with his views.

Just how aligned we are about to find out, but either way there is no way on god's earth conservative members were going to vote for the deceitful and back stabbing Sunak, he has no values and no ethics and was going for the job purely for his own interests, and nothing AT ALL to do with his love for this country (He has a great deal of love for US) and he is weak, much weaker than Truss. If you were to meet him (he is very petite and a polite chap) you will see what I mean. He would be extremely easy to manipulate and coerce. He is in this purely for self interest, and he makes no effort to disguise it.

In today's world we need a bullet proof defence plan, a commitment to see the best of the Brexit come through however you voted and someone with some lead in their veins, and some grit to get through this cost of living crisis. Sunak has literally no idea what poverty looks or feels like. His idea not to 'burden' the young with debt, despite the fact they were set to starve and freeze this winter didn't occur to him. There was a huge disconnect between reality and Sunak's world. The treasury world, that has very little to do with your world trust me.

I fully expect the media and tory remainers to go after Liz Truss now, as they did with Boris. Many have already started. They will try to drive her out as well. Although I doubt she will give them the fodder they had on Boris, we will see her undermined at every turn. This country it seems to me is being governed not by the Conservatives, nor indeed the official in Whitehall but by the media and a powerful group of insiders. It won't improve for Labour, if they displease the people behind the news channels shaping the narrative.

Fortunately the electorate are not as stupid as the Tory MPs, and we can see precisely what has happened, and what is about to happen.

Someone needs to pull the plug, at least on the BBC funding if nothing else.

I heard that Liz Truss was favoured by the Tory membership as she was like them. White, middle class, not very clever, comes out with a lot of embarrassing nonsense a lot of the time. They emphasised.

Rishi would have been marginally less catastrophic but the Tory party has moved so far right from the Major years it is unrecognisable. The only person who would vote for them now would be unashamed fascists. Shame we have to wait 2 years to get them out.

The party, as a whole did not agree with the removal of Boris Johnson. Full stop.

Yeah, I'm not sure that's properly understood. The party members didn't want the election in the first place.

imiting protest - THEY WERE GLUED TO THE M25 AND PEOPLE WERE DYING IN AMBULANCES THANKS TO THEIR IDIOTIC PROTESTS
-rwanda policy - STOPPING PEOPLE TRAFFICKERS IS SUPPORTED BY AN OVERWHELMING MAJORITY IN THE UK
-windrush policies - HAPPENED DECADES AGO!
-limiting voting access - HOW?
-constituency gerrymandering to come - WHAT THE HELL IS THAT?
-illegal prorogation of parliament - REMAINERS ACHIEVED THAT
-attacks on travellers - ACTUALLY TRAVELLERS HAVE MORE PROTECTION NOW THAN BEFORE
-attacks on trades unions- QUITE RIGHT TOO. POINTLESS STRIKES TRYING TO RUIN THE COUNTRY FOR OUT OF TOUCH PAY RISES FOR WORKERS ALREADY PAID MORE THAN ENOUGH
-attacks on lawyers & judges - THAT IS A LIE
-limiting parliamentary power - THAT IS A LIE
-threatening to withdraw from international treaties including ECHR - QUITE RIGHT TOO. WE ARE INDEPENDENT NOW REMEMBER!

Seriously you are misguided at best.

In today's world we need a bullet proof defence plan, a commitment to see the best of the Brexit come through however you voted and someone with some lead in their veins, and some grit to get through this cost of living crisis

No money for defence spending or the NHS, any extra will be overtaken by inflation, defence and medical costs far outstrip RPI.

There is no "Best of Brexit" the reasons for the UK to be in the Single Market 30 years ago, are as true now as they were then... frictionless trade, Thatcher knew this, hence a v strong SM supporter.

Truss will not have a windfall tax or nationalise gas production, so she can't address the cost of energy, cutting £150 off a 6k bill won't cut it.

As the song goes "i predict a riot"

Maybe I’m naive but do many “thick” people end up graduating from Oxford, especially having attended state school, and end up in senior leadership roles at Shell?

he has no values and no ethics and was going for the job purely for his own interests

You write that about Sunak yet support Johnson. Right ho

I think we’ve basically reached the end of modern politics. Most Tory voters know they’re voting for incompetent clowns who will simply keep things ticking along in the interests of their income group, ad infinitum, as public services etc slowly fail.

While most Labour voters know that a Starmer government would be just something similar with a few of the rough edges shaved off - the targeting of disabled people on benefits, the immigrant hating etc. But the direction of travel will be more or less the same.

As a nation we may as well just engage in the so called “culture wars” better forever now similar to the US. That’s all that’s left really.

^ battles, not better

Agree but it’s pretty obvious what the real issue is we all know why she will win this

I much prefer Sunak. Don't trust Truss..
Mind, by the time the new PM is announced, I guess we'll be bored stupid with the constant news coverage, like there's nothing else going on in the world.

She's white. That's how.

Maybe I’m naive but do many “thick” people end up graduating from Oxford, especially having attended state school

Yes. I did and I’m pretty thick.

Totally agree

Liz Truss can at least define what a woman is, and discuss her policies regarding this. More than Rishi could do… let’s not mention Starmer!

Sunak won't be the next PM because he is not white, politically and intellectually, he is head n shoulders above Truss, who as a former liberal and hard core remainer, is the 2nd worst choice for the far right racist membership.

She'll win but on a tiny turnout and will have no support from MPs, majority of whom didn't vote for her.

Truss will most definitely bring forward the downfall so I’m bloody glad they voted for her, if they have

Hopefully it is a glass cliff moment

They’re both awful.

But at least Rishi seems to have a measure of competence. She’s unreal.

I think the mistakes if you can be kind and call them that happened ages ago. Rishi Sunak would be better than Liz Truss, but it would be damage limitation.

I am not comfortable with using the term Fascist, much as the policies others have described are nasty and dictatorial. Fascism and indeed people such as the Front Nationale (or whatever name they use) in France are those who engage and support at least white working class people, and are organised in their nastiness. I cannot say that about the Tories.

The best thing that could happen to the UK now is for the Union to break up. Three friendly rival governments competing on the same island to see who can provide the best standard of school, housing, healthcare etc would hopefully raise standards for everyone.