To think we're about to witness a repeat of Labour's wrong Miliband brother moment?

[KenAdams]

How Liz will won above Rishi is beyond me. I mean, I know they're both Tories and we are where we are but her interview with Laura K on Sunday really worried me.

I feel like the country is on a knife edge waiting to see what she will announce and I'm 99% sure it just won't be enough and it will start a chain of events that will make for such a difficult time for this country.

I do think it would be stopped if Rishi were PM or at least kerbed but I feel that the Tory party are about to make the wrong decision with who they chose and with it will bring dire consequences for the country.

I would think it would make them unelectable but if they've selected an ERG PM then who knows any more? Maybe I'm just a cynic but I'm so concerned about the next few weeks and months.

I worked 40 hours per week. I came out with £80 per month. My rent was £60 and I had bills, food and commute costs on top.
If I wanted to go to the cinema or the local leisure centre or out to a club it cost me money to go in.
Signing on I got £11.50 per week.
My rent was paid by the DSS to the landlord. The local cinema and leisure centre as well as other venues were free if you flashed your UB40 on entry

As I didn’t have to go to work in the morning My flat mate and I would go to a local club till 2am then as I was stick thin (the result of going years with an undiagnosed stomach ulcer) I was able to slip through the bar fence at the back of a Safeway supermarket where they would leave all the past the sell by date food in a skip to be collected early the following morning.

I would pass what I could that looked ok through the bars or chuck it over the fence
and we would have free food for the next few days.

I know many people who gave up their jobs to go on the dole and claim income support as it was not worth their while working.

Looking at what the internet says or graphs showing what people with average salaries earned doesn’t take account of those who didn’t earn an average salary.

It doesn’t take account of a single parent with 4 children, how much they can claim.

Telling me that actually lived it that I am wrong. That is bollocks

@KenAdams

How Liz will won above Rishi is beyond me.

One big reason is the way Rishi screwed over 3 million self employed with covid support exclusions meaning they got little or no support, and then lied about it rather than solving the problems he caused.

Lots of Tory party members will have been self employed and will have suffered being excluded from the covid support schemes, so they won't have voted for Rishi!

And because he is seen as a back stabber and no one likes being stabbed in the back.

I wonder if he knew then how this would turn out whether he would have done the same things.
I honestly believe he thought he could walk into number 10 with cheers and applause and not another viable candidate to give him any worries.

Ready for Rishi was car crash tv at its best or worse depending on which side you were standing.

My Ds who is interested in politics thought it was a joke I had made up when I told him.
His reaction was that Rishi might as well give up now the average Tory member isn’t going to look kindly on a childish and patronising slogan.

No to independence. No to economic ruin. No to a sinister interest in secondary school pupils' sex lives. No to MPs bringing drag queens into school

Don't recall mounds of bin bags

Better get your memory checked then. There’s plenty of news footage from the time to remind you.

Go Sir Keir go ....

His lisping limping comebacks are a total embarrassment to the LP. I can never forget how many times I have seen Angela literally sitting on her hands with exasperation at his sheer incompetence.

Two wooden robots together is what I see.

Theresa May

No to independence. No to economic ruin. No to a sinister interest in secondary school pupils' sex lives. No to MPs bringing drag queens into school

I don't anything about drag queens and the sex in Secondary schools but i do know that the UK faces economic ruin if Truss chooses to borrow £130 billion.

The markets have greeted Truss's energy plans with horror.

You guys would be better of out of it.

You were watching a different PMQs to me.

Shouldn't regard it as entertainment I know but dull and duller.

It was a bit underwhelming wasn't it @vera99?

Watching the panel now on BBC News 24. IDS and Thornberry are interesting.

The majority of voters in Scotland do not vote for separatist parties.

Your own arrogance and ignorance is jaw dropping.

I am not your "pet" . I don't know where your from, it's not an expression I've ever come across but I am not your pet. It's irrelevant whether it's "gender neutral". It's condescending and patronising- although given the lack of critical thinking you demonstrate by being a separatist supporter I shouldn't take it seriously.

Let's be quite clear as well the war in Ukraine has increased the price of energy a fact that allows bumper record unexpected profits from the energy companies.
Their costs have not increased. The price hike is caused purely by competition from Russia being restricted by the war. This is war profiteering one the Tories are quite happy to be complicit in and by so doing unintentionally or otherwise aid Putin's war effort.

It's nearly always the same shots or film though . I lived , commuted and travelled in London. It was a lot filthier in the late 80s and 90s. As a roadsweeper for 4 years I had a pretty good view of the mess and litter. Which got worse when things were privatised.

Norway quite nobly at face value realises they have made enormous profits as a country as a result of their oil and gas and is considering an EU price cap voluntarily and the EU is also considering a windfall tax/price cap.

And that in a nutshell is Brexit right there - an impoverished Britain-made oven ready for big business to do what they will with minimal government interference and damn the future or the civil realm. The Tories wants to get the British people to pay for the war with a 'loan'. They truly are a bunch of cunts.

www.ft.com/content/ab469e2d-8e87-44ee-855b-f46b5b2dd17e

@TheLassWiADelicateAir

Och never mind pet. I get the last laugh. The snp keep winning elections so you still have to live under their governance.

If you don't live in scotland - well then it's none of your business and off you pop pet.

Oh I live in Scotland so it is my business.

Do you have any idea how ridiculous you sound with your popping and petting?

Still, pretty much par for the course for a separatist.

You remind me a bit of my husband's extremely dim brother and his even dimmer niece - both rabid separatist supporters. The niece actually is an SNP MSP and thick as 2 short planks.

@TheLassWiADelicateAir wow you sound like you have a massive chip on your shoulder. Why so angry?! People can have different political views without you being nasty to them and name calling.

Chill quine!!!

I think the person who thinks dropping in "pet" and "pop off" in the delusion it adds something to her argument is the one with the chip on her shoulder.
Funny you don't have any problem with her rude and condescending tone.

You should try yoga, that might help you calm down!

As this is all getting quite unpleasant now, would it be possible for a 'time out' of some sort.

What need is some sort of peaceful 'union' of all the posters may be called it United Mumsnet UM!