To think we're about to witness a repeat of Labour's wrong Miliband brother moment?

[KenAdams]

How Liz will won above Rishi is beyond me. I mean, I know they're both Tories and we are where we are but her interview with Laura K on Sunday really worried me.

I feel like the country is on a knife edge waiting to see what she will announce and I'm 99% sure it just won't be enough and it will start a chain of events that will make for such a difficult time for this country.

I do think it would be stopped if Rishi were PM or at least kerbed but I feel that the Tory party are about to make the wrong decision with who they chose and with it will bring dire consequences for the country.

I would think it would make them unelectable but if they've selected an ERG PM then who knows any more? Maybe I'm just a cynic but I'm so concerned about the next few weeks and months.

I think the use of the word 'fascist' is worryingly appropriate for a party currently explicitly planning to remove my human rights, my voting rights, my right to protest, my right to a fair trial and my trades union rights.

If you are happy to lose your rights then you should vote accordingly but at least be honest about what you are choosing.

God help us all (again).

Her polling is not good, and hopefully will get worse once people see her in action.

Immigration is not high on general voters' priority list. Yes for some it remains high - but they are core Tory voters mostly.

Every single point you make also applies to Rishi.

His cabinet of leavers resigned, his ERG former backers, such as Steve Baker & David Davis demanded he resign.... todays Tory party has few remainers and none have any power

Steve Baker wanted the job for himself, hence his support. David Davis is a failed PM in waiting with a personal axe to grind against Johnson. The party has many more remainer MPs than most people realise. Alex Chalk, Teresa May, Tom T to name but a few and whole host of remain supporting conservatives that hold a grudge and some. It is a problem that is not going away.

Boris Johnson caused Boris Johnson to resign, no one else, sleaze and appointing a sex pest did for him, along with double standards and law breaking

You really need to do your research Teresa May appointed the 'sex pest' he has been around for years and years!

The Tory party turned on Bojo, as he became an electoral liability

You seem extremely out of touch with the grass roots. The conservatives have not turned their back on Boris Johnson and never will, quite the reverse, he was solely responsible for a huge landslide victory. Sunak decided it was his turn at the wheel, a bunch of remainers joined in and a few chancers....and here we are.

The UK is a fractured society because of him and your party, who govern for themselves and not for the good of us all

My country, and I can't say our country can I, are not in this position by accident, this has been a long time coming. At least thirty years that I know of. We have different ideologies and visions for the future. We have different ideas about the future, and security and other matters - but at least we get to air our differences and grievances and we are not locked in a hell hole without a voice, with Journalists pushed out of windows. So yeah, I would choose the UK any day over many many other countries, faults/warts and all.

Intellectually clever people aren't thick though... The conversation wasn't about common sense, or lying. It was the suggestion that she is thick I was disagreeing with.

I've worked with enough Oxbridge graduates to know that common sense isn't always a feature of their intellect. That doesn't make them 'stupid' or 'thick'.

Nor does their education necessarily make them fit to govern.

Liz Truss seems remarkably stupid. I am not convinced the electorate will be so understanding of her "gaffes" as they were of Boris Johnsons.

I’ve worked with several people being fast tracked to management with oxbridge degrees. Brains and common sense don’t necessarily go together - but then there’s not many MP’s with either !!

@Festoonlights I find it sad to read people like yourself who just accept the decline of Britain. I am a patriotic voter and what the Tories have done to police, courts, parliament, schools, councils, NHS, railways, roads, rivers, beaches etc etc since 2010 is just not acceptable. Britain is wonderful country, we have wonderful people and history and we deserve far better.

The shit this government voted to pump onto beaches and into rivers shows only too clearly what they think of Britain. Time for a change.

It's pretty disastrous - Sunak wouldn't be great, but at least is relatively moderate. However his gambit of trying to be relatively straight and realistic was never going to win against reactionary hyperbole. Truss is surrounding herself with the type of unimaginative people who blame the results of 12 years of Tory failure on 'wokeness' or 'Remoaners who didn't support Brexit enough'.

I can only hope the apalling winter to follow will finally convince people that the Tories don't care about their wellbeing, and that the left will stop squabbling about the need for anyone they support to have to be as ideologically pure as the driven snow, so that something changes in this country.

Completely agree with this.

I'm reserving judgement until her statement on the energy crisis.
She is obviously not stupid and has played a shrewd job in winning this election. She knows what a woman is and was one of the first to say so clearly, so she has a backbone and is prepared to the the truth on a fundamental issue, which is a lot more than almost every other politician.

@Cloudonthemountains But she appears thick. It is a lack of basic critical analysis she seems to be lacking and she seems pretty inarticulate on top of that.
The lacking common sense is top academics who struggle to read a map type. But they tend to be very articulate and excellent at critical analysis. They also would not be as uninformed as Liz Truss frequently is for interviews.

@sessell She is an opportunist and will say whatever she thinks will get her votes. She will not do anything for vulnerable women unless it is a cheap vote winner.

Agreed

Seconded!

carefully It makes me laugh when I read posts like yours. It is like you have amnesia. Can you remember WHY austerity was needed in the first place? Any flicker of memory...nope....well do you remember the 2008 financial crash which lead to Labour being booted out? Ah yes, memory coming to life. Do you remember this note?

‘I’m afraid there is no money.’ The letter I will regret for ever
by Liam Byrne

Yes, okay so we are getting there. Labour literally ran the economy into the ground. So it was down to the Conservatives to pick up the pieces for the next ten years and devise a fiscal map out of the debt riddled mire we left in! So yes cuts were needed, and everyone remembers why! Ten years of boring cuts in order to get the country into better shape and then bang covid happens and we go back to the start.

So please don't tell me it is time for a Labour government again. They have absolutely no fucking hope of winning the bingo much less the election. They are fiscally and economically challenged, have zero policies for the future and the party is packed full of misfits!! The muppet show has more class and polish.

Partly agree but on women, no, she has been in Govt a very long time and has overseen the complete erosion of womens rights and cuts to women's specific services.

Actions speak louder than words.

The "Knowing what a woman is" is the ONLY advantage the Tories have over other parties - and they are very aware of this and emphasise it.

Even Penny Mordaunt ("TW are W") backtracked on her previous opinions to try to make herself more electable.

I wouldn't count on it being a permanent state if some big pharmacological company offered a lot of cash to the party.

I was visiting my dad in hospital and the elderly chap in the bed opposite him was waxing lyrical about how he's voting for Liz Truss because she's going to abolish the 70 mph limit on motorways...... Yup, tackling the important issues of the day.

Nah. The "wrong Miliband brother" thing was mostly a charisma issue thing.

Ed Miliband was a reasonably competent and decent politician who would not have caused total chaos if he had become prime minister, despite the "chaos with Ed Miliband" line from Cameron.

With Liz Truss we just have to hope that she has been hamming it up for the Tory membership and will be more moderate when in power.

If you believe this nonsense there's no hope for you! Engage your brain.

1. In 2010 every G7 country was facing same pressures - only UK chose austerity and our growth fell behind as a direct result
2. The letter was the 2010 version of a historical tradition, not a serious note. It was awful of Laws to make public but that coalition government had no respect for British tradition and knew how it would help short term.

I remember very clearly.

We need a completely new party as in years of labour and conservatives has ruined Britain. It needs to be a party that has Britain's best interests not a molting pot of taxpayers moneys going into pockets of blues or reds and their mates.
Even lib dems are a weak government and serve no purpose to British people. Everything that was worth something was sold to other countries by these governments which is why the people of Britain are being plunged into poverty.

Sorry not a weak government I meant weak party

I'm inclined to disagree with this.

She said trans women are not women because she knows that the demographic she is courting doesn't believe trans women are women.

If the Tory membership believed that trans women are women she'd have said, "Yes, absolutely, trans women are women."

That's the fundamental problem with Liz Truss. I don't think she has any actual principles. She just says and does whatever she thinks is politically expedient.