To think we're about to witness a repeat of Labour's wrong Miliband brother moment?

[KenAdams]

How Liz will won above Rishi is beyond me. I mean, I know they're both Tories and we are where we are but her interview with Laura K on Sunday really worried me.

I feel like the country is on a knife edge waiting to see what she will announce and I'm 99% sure it just won't be enough and it will start a chain of events that will make for such a difficult time for this country.

I do think it would be stopped if Rishi were PM or at least kerbed but I feel that the Tory party are about to make the wrong decision with who they chose and with it will bring dire consequences for the country.

I would think it would make them unelectable but if they've selected an ERG PM then who knows any more? Maybe I'm just a cynic but I'm so concerned about the next few weeks and months.

Hi Mrs Sunak!

And her cabinet … Cleverly as Foreign Minister and Kwanteng as Chancellor…. what a bunch of inept idiots.

She will do an about turn today to appeal to the base for an election rather than then the Tory party membership who she needed on side the past few months.

She looked exhausted and overwhelmed on Laura K yesterday.

I also wonder if there is another plot either Bring Back Boris or call an election so Labour win who will have to manage the largely Tory created catastrophe we are facing for 3 years and then the Torys swoop back in for decades?

Fascism always depends on the creation of the enemy within. I think Truss is already starting to demonise certain sectors of our populace. Striking workers, lefty lawyers, immigrants of course, anyone who stands up for a belief is ‘woke’. It won’t end in harmony that is for sure.

You still aren't convincing us that Truss is a Fascist? Can you provide actual evidence please?

I'm no Tory voter but I don't consider them to be Fascists. Happy for you to convince me otherwise though.

Totally agree OP

I think the grass roots Conservative members were scared of what Rishi would do, after all he is one of the fee people in the country who knows and understands the economic situation.

He would have had a much stronger cabinet, he comes across as the sort of person who would chose the best person for the job but just his mates/people who will protect him. I despair looking at that cabinet, very very worrying times.

Normally I’d be quite happy for the Conservative party to make the wrong choice and bring in an unelectable leader.

But the consequences right now are too huge.

I agree with Whackamole. Rory Stewart was the one that got away -the Conservative Party's David Milliband moment. But Ed was in no way equivalent to Truss.

Also agree
But I heard a snippet on the radio (I was just going out so literally only heard a minute) that there was still a lot of support for Boris Johnson within the party and, and its thought they (supporters) and he could be planning for him to bid for PM again! Which I think would be horrendous.
But I have no confidence in any of them. I almost can't be bothered which one it is because I don't trust any of them

I agree.

Although a teeny tiny bit of me hopes that they know it's actually likely to be Sunak but things will still be bad so they're preparing us for Truss in the hope we'll be relieved when it's Sunak and ignore just quite how bad it still is.

But I like daft conspiracy theories

This is precisely why I'm team Sunak.

For no other reason than right now a Pm who is also an economist and understands the financial side would be beneficial to us.

could be planning for him to bid for PM again!

I would prefer BJ to LT, I think a lot of the electorate will if she becomes PM. I think there will be anger that BJ was removed by his party and not by a GE.

That! Exactly that. I'd really rather have a competent leadership even if I'm not too keen on the ideology. You can always correct ideological course at the next election, but if the economy goes down the tubes everyone suffers and it may take decades to put it right. As I said on another thread, at least Rishi can count. The whole argument about Labour being unelectable is they're supposed to be unrealistic about the income/spend equation, yet here we have a crazy woman throwing tax cuts and spending plans in the air for the cheers, and the heck with the reality. There is pretty much no hope that she'll find her marbles behind the sofa in time to start running the country in any kind of sane or stable fashion. Obviously I'd love to be proved wrong.

And yes, I'm pretty convinced too that Boris was backing her because she's HIS best hope for a comeback.

I don't believe BJ will make a come back, this rumour is just BJ keeping his name out there. He got what he wanted, he knows the shit the country is in, he won't want to be associated any more with what is to come.

Besides he knows the money he is now going to make . He makes me sick. I can't believe anyone would want to hear him speak,

The problem is exactly the same
as the Miliband one. The type of leader the party membership will go for is not the leader best equipped to lead the country.

Rishi would be the better choice without question. But then Truss is much more likely to ultimately trash the Tories election prospects. I guess it just depends how long she gets to do damage for.

I'm concerned too that the longer game is to bring about the return of Boris. As their election winner.

I want Truss to win, its going to guarantee more support for independence here in Scotland thays for sure, rather than if it was Sunak.

Probably the plan all along. Get rid of him while he's unpopular, bring in someone even more incompetent then Boris rides in to save the day, forgiven by (some of) the public as they've seen someone even worse. Hopefully the electorate won't fall for it or BJ will realise he enjoys not working hard and will be tempted away by lucrative book-writing and speech-giving opportunities.

Fascist, really?

Truss isn't a fascist - that is utterly ridiculous and possibly libellous. It also cheapens the use of the word fascist and insults those who lived under genuine fascism.

Not a fan of Truss at all. Aspects of her radicalism are appealing to try and make the system work better however there is so much of what she says which is undeliverable/wrong/not based on reality that as a lifelong Conservative I will not be voting for them with her as leader. I am emigrating shortly anyway but look forward to the pound tanking and significant domestic property price inflation 12 months from now.

@Oblomov22

I agree.

Sadly we have a lot of politicians around but no statesmen.

Rishi’s popularity died long ago when the furlough champions realized that they, and everyone else, would be paying for the year of Netflix and banana bread for decades to come.

Nothing that Liz could do in a year will be fixed by 25 years of mismanagement of the economy. We are a low wage economy with low productivity, we are not energy secure and population in general is unskilled with media studies degrees. It would take a strong leader 25 years to fix this.

I'm actually devastated that a tiny number of rapidly dementing middle Englanders had the power to elect this woman to be PM. It's nothing personal but Rishi just seems smarter. He's also rich enough through his wife to not need to sell his soul. Truss will be the same kind of shameless as Bojo.

The Civil Service stopped being a service some years ago, they want to be and in many cases are the unelected Government.
not very Civil, either

[yes, I do know the ‘real’ meaning of the word)

Yep. Like Rory Stewart. Sunak seems to be strangely disliked now as he's seen as an ambitious backstabber. You think that would work for the Tories, wouldn't you! And probably unconscious racism - better a woman pm than an ethnic ....

You should be scared her strongest argument for brexit was that we import 2/3 of our cheese from the EU and what a disgrace it was.. she was generally fuming about it too 😅 hope you don't like Brie OP 🙃

It’s frightening and unbelievable that Truss would be elected over the one who at least understands the economy, and imo grasps issues much better and faster. I am no Tory and understand the opinion that she’ll ensure Tories will lose next election, but the damage she could cause internally and on the world stage is not worth that. If she causes enough damage then no party or coalition of parties could bring it back to even scratch in any reasonable time frame.
I’ve heard the Boris thing said but doubt that could be true enough across enough voters as surely (hopefully!) not enough are in the realm of MAGA fanatics. I’ve also heard it said some senior Tories think they’d be best out of power for a while to regroup, but would you really risk increasing full hatred of your party actions.
I heard some of the last Hustings and the questioners I heard were more surreal and scary than the candidates, so though I’d not realised it actually the party members mainly are just voting on their candidate with their preferred, inane policy views.
However, some of my staunch Tory family members, who I consider vaguely normal, dislike Truss and think she’s going to be incompetent, as many Tory non party members do seem to - that is slightly hopeful but also makes me wonder why the members would stubbornly insist on bringing in the least popular candidate anyway.
Frightening times, not least being we won’t know from one day to the next which policy or idea is happening- very destabilising. I have no words for the potential cabinet.