Statement made by Ukrainian First Lady

[Fallonangel]

The Ukrainian First Lady has made a statement addressing the UK telling us while we are counting our pennies they are also counting their casualties.
Aibu to feel selfish moaning about my lifestyle reductions?

I’ve also been called a fuckin two faced ungrateful slag by the same men who do such things, which is my only comment on that.

We pick and choose what we fight for based on a combination of morals, long term co sequences and power. We are a little constrained in our power to help the women and girls of Afghanistan - and I agree with your thoughts there - against the will of their menfolk and half their own mothers, while Russia watches from across the hill. Unless you want to start a new empire. Ukraine is on our borders.

Unfortunately, although that is a great ideal, there are times when you have to stand up for your way of life to be preserved.

Yep.

I don't judge anyone for doing what they feel is necessary. My dad's best friend who was married to the Austrian Jewess was a conscientious objector in WW2 he was spat at on the street and windows put through his house and was scarred mentally for the rest of his life. As my dad said he was braver in taking that position than him who couldn't wait to sign up in 1939 but was rejected for his eyesight before being accepted in 1940.

He was in the Royal Signals so served behind the front lines in the war in SA, Libya, Egypt, Italy and finally Germany so he had a good war so to speak. But he would never forget the haunted faces of the soldiers that fought at the front. As a 22-year-old he said those times were the best of his life better than getting married or having children and that's not because he didn't love us to bits. He said every day was hyper-real and felt fully alive and had the camaraderie of friends and comrades with a bond like no other.

As a race unless we overcome our animalistic desire to fight then we are doomed sadly to a perpetual cycle of violence and counter-violence. Gandhi got the British out of India after all by a policy of non-violent civil disobedience.

Gandhi got the British out of India after all by a policy of non-violent civil disobedience

Unfortunately some regimes are much much harsher than the British were in India.

I admire people who resist non violently.

But sometimes you have to stand up and resist.

I would love to live in a world where nations co-operate, work together, trade together etc - but we have people who have different views on how things should be run - and our way of life needs protecting.

Getting back to the original question.
was Madame Zelensky unreasonable to tell us to count our pennies, suck up big bills for the sake of her country and be glad that we have no casualties with not one word or hint of thanks or gratitude.

Yes, she was. Count our pennies! Nice from a multi millionaire.

Have you watched the actual interview so you can see the context?

dailysceptic.org/2022/09/01/did-boris-scuttle-talks-between-ukraine-and-russia/ interesting article no idea of the provenance that Johnson scuppered potential peace talks in April.

Yes.
Did I miss a Thank You or 'I appreciate'?

If not, there is no context that can be whipped up into a reason why she showed such entitlement by effectively saying, 'So what. it is worse for Ukraine'

Hmm, that forlorn look in the vogue photoshoot really captures the sentiment.

Wow. If only there was a way of harnessing the energy some posters expend on bitter hatred of a total stranger, you could power a small village on yours alone.

She said it in an interview in answer to Laura Kuenssberg’s question: British people are worried about the rising cost of living, what message do you have for them?

The anger over the tone seems somewhat misplaced they could have comfortably cut and run and lived off their considerable wealth elsewhere. One can't see fridge hiding Johnson for all his cosplaying grandeur doing anything remotely heroic.

A total stranger who is monumentally rich and expects you and your fellow citizens to fund her corrupt oligarch husband's vainglorious attempts to unseat the Kremlin, knowing it is unlikely to end well and will have no benefit for us, you mean?

I think we're probably ok to have an opinion on that.

The Czech Republic had a huge demonstration against the war and the rise in energy prices with elements of the far right and far left.

An opinion is fine, an eye roll, a comment, disagreement, frustration, whatever. Many posters have offered theirs.

But one or two posts have gone far past that into an obsessive, frenzied hatred, which is creepy.

Putin is often disingenuously compared to Hitler by many and the parallels of 1930s appeasement are invoked as to why we should up our military aide to Ukraine. By their own accounts, the Ukrainians have taken out more than half of Russian military capacity with little ability for them to replenish with both experienced personnel or kit. Putin would have to stark raving mad to attack Nato indeed if he attempted that I feel that he would most probably be taken out. It's time to try to increase the peace now and encourage all sides to that end rather than ploughing on to a very uncertain quagmire of possibly hugely dangerous outcomes. Have the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan (or indeed Vietnam) taught us nothing ?

www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/putin-hitler-stalin-poland-nato-b2076304.html

So? Has she thanked the UK or not, has anyone watched the whole thing?

The headlines on Ukraine used to look like this:

www.theguardian.com/news/2015/feb/04/welcome-to-the-most-corrupt-nation-in-europe-ukraine

But I don't think anyone read it back then

@VirginiaWool · 04/09/2022 17:46

“QuentininQuarantino · 04/09/2022 13:21
Wow. If only there was a way of harnessing the energy some posters expend on bitter hatred of a total stranger, you could power a small village on yours alone.”

A total stranger who is monumentally rich and expects you and your fellow citizens to fund her corrupt oligarch husband's vainglorious attempts to unseat the Kremlin, knowing it is unlikely to end well and will have no benefit for us, you mean?

I think we're probably ok to have an opinion on that

Do you think the U.K., the other countries of Europe, the U S A not to say all the other countries listed here,
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_foreign_aid_to_Ukraine_during_the_Russo-Ukrainian_War

have been contributing to help Ukraine defend itself from an illegal invasion by a brutal, totalitarian state, all on the say so of “a [Ukrainian] total stranger who is monumentally rich” and a
”Vainglorious attempt to unseat the Kremlin”?

Meanwhile, are you happy to pay the monumentally rich shareholders of energy companies making enormous amounts of money from this crisis?

Would you like to be buying some nice cheap gas from Russia?

Soaring energy prices began in 2021 before the invasion too, so which “monumentally rich stranger” would you like to blame for that?
www.iea.org/commentaries/what-is-behind-soaring-energy-prices-and-what-happens-next

The actual interview with Laura Kuenssberg
www.bbc.com/news/uk-62766917

Olena Zelenska told Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg that if support for Ukraine was strong the crisis would be shorter.

In an interview recorded in Kyiv, she also said it was important to keep highlighting the human toll of the war.

And Mrs Zelenska said while she rarely saw her husband, they talk every day
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The first lady, who has been married to Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky since 2003, spoke to the BBC's Laura Kuenssberg in Kyiv.

In a wide-ranging interview to be broadcast on Sunday 4 September, Mrs Zelenska was asked what message she had for British people who are facing soaring energy bills in part due to Russia's invasion of Ukraine and the impact that has had on global gas and oil prices.

I understand the situation is very tough. But let me recall that at the time of the Covid-19 epidemic, and it's still with us, when there were price hikes, Ukraine was affected as well.

^The prices are going up in Ukraine as well. But in addition our people get killed.
So when you start counting pennies on your bank account or in your pocket, we do the same and count our casualties," she said.^