Statement made by Ukrainian First Lady

[Fallonangel]

The Ukrainian First Lady has made a statement addressing the UK telling us while we are counting our pennies they are also counting their casualties.
Aibu to feel selfish moaning about my lifestyle reductions?

I'm not

Disinformation is a major weapon

You can recognise some of the phraseology and the comments

We've even had the "shelling the Donbas for 8 years"

Fuck Putin. I’d rather freeze than burn his gas. Because in the end he’d have us and the rest of the world to ransom.

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This

We’ve taken at least twenty Ukrainian families in our village and the stories they tell are harrowing. I don’t want that for Ukraine (and probably Moldovia, Latvia, Lithuania and probably Georgia too).

If we can get through this winter and the fuel crisis we’ll have beaten the only ace he had to pressurise the West.

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And also all of this.

I mean I’m lucky that I’m not old or ill, I don’t have a tiny baby, and I know we’ll survive even if we can’t put the heating on at all this winter (worst case scenario obviously - not thinking it will actually be that bad). And I live down south. But more than happy if it comes to it to prioritise those who really need the gas.

Would be a shame not to be able to cook obviously but I’m thinking of worst case scenarios here.

A shame we didn’t build those nuclear plants Blair wanted. And build more wind farms/ turbines. We should be doing it now though!

Well MissPankhurst you did say that zelensky wanting to join the UN made Russia invade

So pretty much all of your rants are likely to be equally misinformed.

All I can see from your posts is

@GertrudePerkinsPaperyThing It's a lot more frightening if you do have children or on a tiny state pension or are disabled though. It isn't a question of just getting through it for some, there is a real chance they won't.

I rather think a lot of people will be bitter as they face losing homes and businesses for the sake of a thankless hard-faced pair

I don't think we are in this because of Zelensky. We are in this to counter Russian aggression.

I remember Putin clearly stating that they had no plans to invade Ukraine.

I don't trust him to keep his word.

The 'white feathers' comments are tiresome that anyone seeking to analyse the nuances of the situation rather than just cheerlead are smeared as de facto Putin apologists. They are getting ready to get us hating China next as we are gaslighted into the clash of global powers leading to world war.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_feather

There are always going to be people in worse situation compared to other people in other countries. Shall we start with the extreme poverty malnutrition and poor sanitation in some places in this world? Access to potable water or education or FGM or medicine etc .. what about the wars in the Middle East?
no one is turning a blind eye to them or ignoring them… but According to your reasoning everyone has to suck it up because there’s someone worse out there.

I don't think at least 2 posters on this thread (I don't mean you) are analysing the nuances of the situation at all. They are more concerned with attacking Zelenskyy, his wife and anyone defending the Ukrainian position. Come the day Zelenskyy invades a neighbouring country or sends his lackeys out to threaten the UK with nuclear missiles, I promise I will say the same about him as I do now about Putin.

We’ll make it through the winter and be more resilient for it- this is the worst thing bar bombs he can throw at us.

But it is a big gamble for him. If we no longer need his oil and gas then he has fuck the Russian energy market.

On the Ukraine megathreads they have become uncritical to support Ukraine at all costs and have seen asserted without pushback in some cases that all Russians are evil not just Putin. They even celebrate videos of Russian armoury getting wiped out as if blowing up poorly paid dragooned conscripts is something to cheer on and relish.

My grandfather who I never knew was gassed at the Somme in 1915 and only worked intermittently during the depression so my mother knew real poverty and how the British state rewarded sacrifice. He never talked about the war, celebrated it or did Remembrance Sunday or British Legion. All war is a tragedy mostly willy-waving men facing off against other willy-waving men.

Putin and his cronies were empowered, enabled and supported by the Conservatives over decades in this country so forgive me if I don't roll over and take all that they say uncritically and without comment. The Ukrainian tragedy is as much down to them as it is to Putin but Boris gets to have a street named after him and cheered on his farewell tour whilst ordinary folk get baseless smears and finally should we care if she said thanks or not - seems fairly trivial in the scheme of things.

@gnilliwdog I do have children. I just don’t have babies.

That was exactly the point I was making in my post - that it was much harder for some than others - and I’d be happy if those in more need than me were prioritised.

We'll have casualties when people can't afford to eat or heat their homes.

From what I can see, the West often sticks it’s nose in a fight between two evils. They pick one evil over the other, empower that evil and then years down the line, that empowered evil turns round and bite them.

Ukraine isn’t and wasn’t a benign force.

My sympathies lie with all the Ukrainians , Russians and Brits who never asked to be part of the mess. The politicians will benefit, they will be made hero’s and the ordinary folk like you and me would have lost of jobs, businesses, homes, and even our lives.

Absolutely

I think a better position would have been to say that it is appreciated that the support for her country in their fight against the attack by russia , it is coming at a cost for ordinary citizens elsewhere.

Agree 100%!

I agree with what she said. They are being bombed & invaded. We’re going to be a bit chilly. No comparison. Plus for all the green zealots out there, high prices will drive us to build renewables apparently (I’m not convinced but for a different thread).

@DontBlameMe79 'a bit chilly' really ?? Have you read some of the desperate threads on here.

They ‘single out’ every nation they are talking to at the time. Because that’s what you do. When you’re talking to a group about a priority and then speak to one member individually about the same topic you will highlight the individual circumstance. Have you not done any presenting of information or marketing?

What’s showing up on here is the remarkable number of modern middle class British who are very very distant from their own struggles for individual and collective survival and cannot understand any more what it is to have an enemy. Also the amount of work and funding Russia really does put into dividing the west. It’s been well known in IT circles for years.

Russia is not a friend to our people. It never has been, because we are rivals. To Ukraine, which sits on its border and dared to seek independence, it is an immediate and direct enemy. It sees Ukraine as a defiant ex-colony and it cannot support that and survive. As for all the complaints about Ukraine being corrupt, just remember which is the only country in the world to have given up nuclear weapons, and which one regularly sells out its own people at the merest sniff of more money for its rich leaders in London.

@RosaGallica
Russia is not a friend to our people. It never has been

Except for WW1 and WW2 of course

The same people who have no understanding of having an enemy are no doubt having the same problem with understanding a collective identity and purpose too. No wonder Britain sells out its own so easily, when it’s richest don’t acknowledge geographic and cultural restrictions on identity and administration.

It's not 'pennies' is it? It's jobs and businesses and hungry kids and cold old people and a further underfunded NHS.
Nor is it, as Zelensky claims, the price we pay to avoid a world war. That price would be Ukraine, if it came to it. The US would ensure that, whatever Boris and his new friends chose to preach.
Also, why is Zelensky slanging the EU countries and simultaneously begging to join?

WW2 led directly into the Cold War Tierne and if Hitler hadn’t stood between us and Stalin I don’t think the necessary compromises would have happened. In WW1 the world was very different and cultures were very different. But I’ll withdraw ‘never’ for that, if you like. We could do with better understanding of identity and other though.

They are at war, a war for survival. What is so hard to understand?

Churchill, Stalin and Roosevelt selling out Eastern Europe all with smiles and handshakes. My wartime soldier dad loved the Russians and was never more angry than when the Berlin Wall came down and a reunified Germany was born.