Statement made by Ukrainian First Lady

[Fallonangel]

The Ukrainian First Lady has made a statement addressing the UK telling us while we are counting our pennies they are also counting their casualties.
Aibu to feel selfish moaning about my lifestyle reductions?

I’m not a Russian bot at all, never even been to Russia . I just can’t see who this proxy war will benefit, just wish more had been done to stop it. I think it’s the British mentality which is a bit sick really and loves a good war as long as we are the good guys of course which we always are. No one keen to sacrifice their sons though which is a good thing though.

I've been here for years and no Russian bot as well, anyway I'm out.

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Perhaps they're worried that the negative consequences for our living standards will cause our support for Ukraine to wane in favour of cheaper fuel from Russia.

That is one of the most twisted things I have read all day. Wow, just wow.

@thefoggiest To be fair, I try to follow the “no Hitler comparisons on the internet” law, but this one IS particularly apt. And you’re absolutely right re: Poland. Hitler invaded Poland and that’s when we finally decided we couldn’t appease him and really went to war, full stop. When he invaded Austria, we decided Austria was worth sacrificing to appease him. So does Ukraine 2022 = Austria 1938 - enh, sure seems like it. As for do I think it’s your/our problem, great question. Unfortunately, can only be answered with a question. Here it is: do you enjoy world wars? I mean, if you enjoy world wars, then no, it’s not your problem. If you’ve ever talked to a WW2 veteran, read anything about military policy ever, understood how modern warfare works, maybe even ever read the Prince by Machiavelli, and/or just plain DO NOT ENJOY WORLD WARS AND WOULD LIKE TO STOP THE NEXT ONE, then yes, it is very, very much your problem to get Ukraine sorted. Either by showing Russia that their expansion era is over before it’s begun. By engaging diplomacy before someone engages the more serious bombs. Or some third option. But yes, I’d definitely prefer this whole thing get “fixed” before it’s past midnight and the carriage turns into a nuclear pumpkin. Most of us saw this coming since 2014 after Crimea. And shock, shock, here we are. So what comes next isn’t some surprise we can’t foretell.

To be fair, it’s not OUR problem. I’m actually dying, so I’ll either be dead before it happens or if it kills me, I won’t be losing some long, full life I could have had. But I have friends and family that deserve to have whatever lives they dream of. I know Russia already has the range to hit the UK with missiles in less time than we can evacuate, and possibly less time than we can knock them down over water. So if “this” all continues, eventually people outside Ukraine are going to die. Russia has the capabilities. Did you think we were far enough to be safe, just because no one was “dropping” bombs? No. We’re in missile range. And if they get Ukraine, it’ll be even easier.

Yes, did they count the casualties in the war in Donbas?

Oh yeah!

Europe and America are supporting Ukraine in money and arms.
if Europe stepped back as it does from many wars and conflicts, Russia would still be selling oil to Germany and much of Europe would not be facing blackouts and UK power costs would not be rushing to cost more than many can pay.
Given these two things, it is not unreasonable to expect her-a muliti millionaire- to say thank you instead of shrugging her shoulders.

Are any of these points incorrect? If so, which?

Everyone gets compared to Hitler. There will only ever be one Hitler and he was the by product of the First World War hunger games committed on the youth by the bourgeois of Europe.

My father who fought in WW2 had a best friend whose wife was an Austrain Jewess that fled in 1938 when Germany annexed Austria in the Anschluss. When as a teenager I asked if her if she would ever like to go back she was shocked and said no most of the neighbours and schoolfriends had turned against her. In Austria Hitler was pushing at an open door, particularly so being Austrian himself. Putin dreamt he would be welcomed like this - he has had a very rude awakening and an army ravaged by corruption and logistical and mechanical failures that is most probably incapable of holding probably what he has never mind greater European ambitions.

If you actually bother to read the article, she’s been interviewed by the BBC. I’d hazard a guess that’s why she’s talking about British people specifically. It also references that she was referring to comments made by Boris about how Europe was going to have to endure a difficult time with the cost of living in order to support the Ukraine.

She hasn’t just made the statement out of nowhere, but it’s easier to assume that read the article I suppose!

The choice is between British lives and Ukrainian lives. Fact is many Brits will die this winter because of the energy crisis.

That unfortunately is the reality.

And many more of health conditions decades later because of poverty now

I can totally imagine the reaction on here to the events leading up to WW2

Refugees fleeing persecution, German invasion of countries, rationing...

Our Government could be doing a lot more to support the UK and we should be working across Europe and wider to stop Putin and to make Russia realise that aggression will not pay. At some point, Russia will want to come back into the fold.

What is the alternative? Let aggression win?

I have a Ukrainian family living with me, that speech pissed me off, people are going to die here this winter as well because of this war.

As a poster has already said they don't think the UK has done enough, I wonder if this is what she thinks. Surely if she thought we had been helpful she would say something about appreciating our support even though it's making life difficult. I suppose we will have to wait for the full interview to know her perspective..

One solution is this Tory government taxes 'capital' and ensures that the British population can be fed, housed and heated this winter if they want us to suffer blood, sweat and tears. If they fail to do that then they have only themselves to blame when folk being to think charity begins at home. In ww2 the establishment fought along with the working class in a shared conflict of good vs evil but I can't see any of our sumptuously entitled rulers doing similarly whilst they grandstand on tragic events in Ukraine. Ben Wallace excepted ....

You apologized but still stood by your point of expecting a thank you. What is wrong with you?

So all those #istandwithukraine posts meant 'as long as I don't have to turn my heating down '.

The fuel predictions are crazy. The government will have to step in with assistance because the country can't function otherwise (and particularly for those on fixed incomes and with medical needs).
But we will also have to use less, be a bit colder, possibly learn to live with power outages or only using certain appliances out with peak times. It's going to take some sacrifice for all of us and we may as well accept it .

I'm sorry but British people are not facing problems because of Ukraine or the war.

They're facing problems because of a shit government that's greedy and privatized everything.

Look at France where energy prices are capped. They're supporting Ukraine too. So are other countries that are not facing as much of an issue as Britain.

British people just like pointing fingers at immigrants, refugees, victims of war, anyone worse off than them who gets any help.

Absolutely right to expect a Thank You and no-one should expect less.
She has shot herself in her Louboutin shod foot, as has her husband who is in The Times yelling about how raging inflation is a small price to pay. It is up on The Times website now.
Yes, a small price for them who have oodles of cash from God knows where, yachts and expensive London and European properties. Ukraine must pay comedians well.
She should fucking well say thanks. Instead she shrugs and says Fuck You Mugs.

Yes I can't imagine why a man whose country is being bombed to shit with tens of thousands of civilians deliberately targeted might just ask for help combating that gigantic and terrifying threat from the air.

Nor can I, when it would precipitate a global conflict. Unless he'd been told it's a possibility.

If NATO did implement a no-fly zone and shot down even one Russian plane then that would be an act of war against Russia, who is not in conflict with a NATO country. NATO would be starting the conflict.

France is getting ready for blackouts and Macron is re-thinking his support of Ukraine. Hence Zelensky's remarks about him in The Times.

I am sure the Ukrainian people are grateful for our support, the weapons and training we have supplied, and for the sacrifices we are having to make to ensure that Russian aggression does not succeed.

I have seen many interviews with Ukrainian people who have said thank you. But I don't think it needs saying.

We are doing what needs to be done. Our Government should take responsibility and lead on this - we need a speech and action from our leaders that inspires us and reminds us that we are at war with Russia. Because we are.

And why we are at war and what the Government can do to help us get through this.

Unless he'd been told it's a possibility
What's the it in that sentence? The no-fly zone itself or the wider conflict? Are you suggesting that Zelensky was told that if he requested a NFZ that it would be granted and then NATO would be at war with Russia because that's what NATO wanted? And he was just a pawn in that?

Rather than, you know, trying desperately to protect his country and people by requesting every single bit of help he could?

Because really, the first scenario is just bollocks.

We should be supporting Ukraine. Otherwise, who's next for Putin?