I have outgrown men

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Before all the namalt brigade come along I'm well aware.

Thing is it's true I have outgrown the ridiculouness and childishness of men.

I'm married but even so I feel like I'd be better off alone most of the time. Nothing wrong with dh as such but I'm more able and stronger alone.

I have just been to the pub and all the women were complimentary of each other. Going with the flow. And enjoying themselves. The men were either grumpy or showing brovado. There was an incident on our table that involved new men intimidating each other and I just went home.

The thing is this isn't a table of young men. It's professionals and grown ups. I just cant be bothered with it.

None of the women got involved but it spoilt the night.

I told dh I don't have time for such pathetic behaviour.

It never ends. It doesn't matter how old or wise we become men seem to revert back to this strange behaviour.

I deal with it day in day out at my work and I simply can't be bothered. If I never had to see another man, mansplaining, dominating conversation, throwing their weight around, bravado, dick measuring, causing a scene in my life it would be too soon.

Absolutely done with it.

Maybe, though plenty of regular MNers don’t bother to read the OP properly either.

Lol at the idea that women are going around demanding relationships with men. Many of us are either in relationships or minding our own business, happily single, while men inflict themselves on us with their unwanted attention. Women seeking relationships ime are generally in a position to be rather choosy, and much of their complaints arise from the tedious task of sifting through the multiple inadequate candidates on offer to find one half way capable of the job.

Goodness me. I hate the man-hating trend, so tiresome.

Some men are arseholes, some women are arseholes. That's it.

I’m not that keen on the woman-hating trend that’s been around for millennia either, maybe men will get tired of it soon too

Woman hate woman, men hate men, humans hate humans.

LOL I must have missed those millennia where women were going round oppressing the poor men, having wars, cutting people’s heads off, starting religious vendettas, colonising lands all over the place and committing 98 percent of violent and sexual crime, what with men’s meek and biddable natures and all that.

YABU.
There are obviously a lot of misandrous women on here, no doubt you slate misogynistic men?.

LOL I must have missed those millennia where women were going round oppressing the poor men, having wars, cutting people’s heads off, starting religious vendettas, colonising lands all over the place and committing 98 percent of violent and sexual crime, what with men’s meek and biddable natures and all that.

Most of that was done to secure land and therefore food to feed their families, but ok.

much of their complaints arise from the tedious task of sifting through the multiple inadequate candidates on offer to find one half way capable of the job.

Seems to be the case and similar to what happens in much of the animal kingdom. Sorry about that.

The burden has always been on women as they've so much more to lose. Perhaps we'll start to see a shift like Japan where women are just opting out. It's sad, as a happily married couple, to see this kind of thing but perhaps men and women just aren't hugely compatible. You'd have thought after thousands of years we might have perfected harmonious living but far from it!

@ideasmirrour

Women have definitely been oppressive in the past

Just look at how white women treated black men and women across many western countries not all that long ago

Ah rape, violence, legal and social oppression and religious wars are done “to feed families”. Wtf kind of thought-challenged apologist for male violence are you?

Ah, you’re one of those kind of people who go on about “Karens”. Got it!

It’s male apologists a-go-go now. Just look what happens when anyone suggests men might bear some consequences for unappealing or bad behaviour! We can’t have that — we must all be “misandrous” [sic] or cows.

Like a pp said, I’m glad I’m bisexual because now I’ve got children I don’t need a man ever again 😂🤣

Wtf kind of thought-challenged apologist for male violence are you?

One that doesn't judge everything by today's standards. Life was incredibly violent and it was men who'd fight and lose their lives.

But there's no grey on this thread at all, is there

If you ask me men are in general very much an unfinished symphony.

Women are much more together and well rounded.

Of course there will always be exceptions but I really don't think I am wrong. I just hope this won't apply to my ds but he is only 17. Time will tell. He knows my views on most men too lol.

DH is lovely (not perfect mind), doesn’t do loud banter etc. I have more downtime than him, he always pulls his weight etc and I’ve been around some fucking horrible women.

But I would probably never remarry if my marriage broke down. I think I would want to be alone. I remember reading how widowers often moved on quickly vs widows. The theroy posited was men get more from marriage and cohabitation then women do, which is broadly true I think.

You think it's 'lol' that your child knows you think badly of his sex? How hilarious.

I agree with most of this

I have only one male relative in the UK that I am in touch with - a second cousin who is 80. Last week, after carefully listening to his detailed concerns about his health including penis references and so on for a good half an hour when I was pressed for time, and sharing my experience of having had a rectal examination for something (sorry folks) after he expressed lots of anxiety about having one and offering to draft a letter to his GP for him, I had the pleasure of seeing him whip his shirt open to bare skin and ask me "just give me a squeeze". I suddenly felt about 11. I dare say my mother would tell me I shouldn't have worn such a tight t-shirt. Found enough boundaries to refuse but not until he had pursued it with me saying no each time.

It's fairly out of character and almost certainly brain degeneration so I can't abandon the bugger but FFS and FML.

So I agree on the whole OP but I do know 2 very decent men and 2 of my male neighbours seem very pleasant.

This. You may be surrounded by shitty men in your life which make you feel like that. I certainly don't. If we go out as a group, we don't separate and form our little groups and behave like idiots. It's the friends you have as well.

How sad for you that this is your outlook.

Most men are lacking in some way.
not all, but most.
my son is an exception.
some women (particularly in groups) can be unbearable too .
we need both sexes , as we always have .
but men are generally more lacking as a sex than women

Yeah that explains why Elizabeth I said : ' hang on a minute , I won't invade Ireland, kill thousands of people and cause untold misery lasting hundreds of years'.

Or have my old schoolteacher stretched on the rack. Or behead my first cousin. Nah , I'll leave all that messy stuff to the blokes.

I'm just back from a management meeting (multi-day thing) high level managers, mix of men and women, ranging from 30s to 50s.

Most of the men were boys, getting drunk, wrestling each other still, most of the women just got on and avoided it/did a bit of mothering. I like all these people - both the men and the women, they are all excellent at their jobs, lovely to work with, but I split with my partner of 15 years a couple of years ago, and nothing I saw made me want to have another male partner.

I do feel a bit sad about the idea, so I might weaken at some point, but the risks just outweigh the benefits I think. Male friends, sure, but living with one again (apart from my sons)? I really don't think it's worth it for the occasional shag/hug.