I have outgrown men

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Before all the namalt brigade come along I'm well aware.

Thing is it's true I have outgrown the ridiculouness and childishness of men.

I'm married but even so I feel like I'd be better off alone most of the time. Nothing wrong with dh as such but I'm more able and stronger alone.

I have just been to the pub and all the women were complimentary of each other. Going with the flow. And enjoying themselves. The men were either grumpy or showing brovado. There was an incident on our table that involved new men intimidating each other and I just went home.

The thing is this isn't a table of young men. It's professionals and grown ups. I just cant be bothered with it.

None of the women got involved but it spoilt the night.

I told dh I don't have time for such pathetic behaviour.

It never ends. It doesn't matter how old or wise we become men seem to revert back to this strange behaviour.

I deal with it day in day out at my work and I simply can't be bothered. If I never had to see another man, mansplaining, dominating conversation, throwing their weight around, bravado, dick measuring, causing a scene in my life it would be too soon.

Absolutely done with it.

'The menz'? 😂

Have you ever really had a partner in the first place?

The sisterhood is a myth. Women consistently vote in preference of having a male boss and I don't believe this can just be explained away by internalised misogyny.

I've met so many more passive aggressive women who hold petty grudges that I'd much rather work with blokes most of the time tbh. Less drama and I much prefer directness and getting to the point rather than backstabbing and people who pretend to be nice and then gossip in the background etc.

I'd imagine any person who had to stand naked while a group of other people made jokes about their genitals and drew 'hilarious' pictures of them, would require financial compensation. Likely your DS would be reluctant to do it for free, as it sounds at best tedious, and at worst humiliating.
So if women want to do that, no doubt they do need to pay. Women wanting a man to have sex with a man however, generally don't.

Wanting to have sex with a man that is.

I sometimes wonder if women who make comments like this have selective vision. I have known men severely bully other men in the work place with really petty schoolyard tactics of exclusion, lying, bitching etc. I know men who have left well-paid jobs due to bullying. The idea that men are more straightforward does fit my experience. Oh and the way they only speak to the women in the office that they want to shag or who might further their career.

In fairness to these women they are very polite and don't make jokes , at least not in earshot. Mostly nurses , civil servants and teachers for some reason. It can be tedious , there's a lot of travelling involved and setting up etc. He doesn't find it humiliating , he did it at college so he's used to it I expect.

I'm done with them as well. My heart has been broken too many times by them.

The sisterhood is a myth. Women consistently vote in preference of having a male boss and I don't believe this can just be explained away by internalised misogyny.

Where do women (or anyone actually) vote for male bosses? Where does anyone in fact vote for a boss?

The sisterhood of feminism is why women have the right to vote, however.

The sisterhood certainly was a myth but I think it might be coming into existence now.

Yes.

Survey after survey has shown that happiness levels decline for women after marriage, but the opposite is true for men. Women are twice as likely as men to initiate divorce, and once divorced, half as likely to seek to remarry.

Men need women much more than women need men. Yes, it's a fact.

I am living proof sexuality isn’t a choice, I’d never choose to be heterosexual

That was how I always felt.
And now, perimenopause, wow, I'm attracted to women. No idea what happened but finally my sexuality matches up with what I have always wanted.

Women's lived are better without male partners. It's an established fact. I would encourage any straight woman to consider building a life on her own terms and never living with a man, never cooking, cleaning, etc for a man. Never marry a man - consider having a family without male involvement apart from sperms donation.

I'm well aware this may seem extreme, but men have been leaching off of women for generations, and it's time to put an end to it.

What if said sperm donation produces a son? Will you tell him he is going to grow up and be a leach on women and turf him out at 18 as you will cease all support for him. Will you advise him that you would prefer it that no women should go near him other then for a potential sperm sample after which he can fuck off again. Nice.

For me it was the near-universal conviction of their own brilliance that I found I couldn't stand any more in relationship terms. Otherwise nice men saying 'it's so good to have found an intellectual equal'. OK so qualifications and IQ cannot capture intelligence but I was a pretty senior academic, one of these guys couldn't spell your and you're correctly (no he wasn't dyslexic), the other worked in a bar and had no a levels, they were both interesting guys but they assumed parity with me immediately. And it made me wonder what they thought of all those 'unequal' others. I realised quite a few men including younger ones wanted to date an academic to validate their conviction of their own brilliance and would then demonstrate absolutely no interest in what i did, mansplain to me about my own subject and tell me I was wrong, then if I dared to say I had written an article on something they were claiming expertise in, I was called an intellectual snob. The really intelligent men I've met don't need to do this because they are genuinely interested in what someone has to say and what they've done. But I find that men in general get very arsey when I contradict them on the grounds I've researched a certain topic. Male academics used to offer me jobs etc in their departments when I was pretty enough for them to bother with, pretending to be interested in my work. I fell for that a couple of times in my younger days. I was brought up by a truly horrible woman and can be an utter bitch myself, and I have met lovely men, but they seem to be acculturated to need to see themselves as brilliant and always right while not wanting to actually do the work to achieve brilliance (most of them). And en masse too many seem to revert to some weird bonding rituals involving pretending to be far worse people than they are so other men will think they are a larf. OLD the last time I went on was like bathing in warm sewage, most men who messaged managed to communicate clearly that they didn't want me as a girlfriend or anything but thought I might be up for it. In retrospect the grinding down of a few months of that is probably why I ended up with the last two awful boyfriends hehehe. As for sex porn is clearly having an awful effect on so many of them, they go through a sort of set of prescribed moves and you can see them measuring you against their porn and finding you wanting. One guy I thought might be an fwb texted me recently 'need some tlc... where are those amazing tits'. I mean vomit. Go to pornhub ffs, I am not a sex text and tit pic service. He couldn't be arsed actually meeting. All this stuff can't be biological, it's acculturated and I feel sad for all the men who can't express any emotion other than anger and contempt because its driving a lot of them mad. I've got two sons, the eldest I know is very put off by conventional manhood and says he wants to find a girlfriend through actually talking to her. He says laddishness has always put him off and he thus always feels on the age of male gatherings. :(

The idea of masculinity as a protected characteristic gave me a laugh. If you don't like it clear off and let us bitter sagging old women (all that post menopausal flesh!! Urghhh) to our moans and ruminations. Why on earth you actively need to feel like victims is beyond me.

Dillonpantherstexas, it's weird and a bit disturbing that you read a comment about sexual partners as applying to sons. The relationship is a bit different. And luckily a lot of younger men seem to be less arrogant and don't need to put women down or shout misandry to feel good about themselves. (Actually hardly any men actually shout misandry. It's a bizarre minority on the Internet)

Not weird at all. The logic is the same. Sons are men, would you encourage women to view your own son as you encourage them to view men ‘in general’? If not why not? You can try and make it creepy/weird to avoid the obvious logic hole there, but everyone else will know what Dillon meant.

Brilliant, I was just posting about certain men being patronising and overestimating their own intelligence and you turned up and acted it right out :) I'm charmed. Sons are not partners. This thread (btw, I am not the person who made the comment under discussion, we are different people on here, you know? Not an amorphous mass of misandry for you to heroically blast through. Hehehe) is on the whole about women saying they don't want men as partners any more. Younger men in our sons generation seem generally less arrogant regarding women. My son certainly is, just like his father (and my father). I have more male friends than women, so squawking misandry randomly won't fit this poster. (Different than the other one, remember?) Anyway thanks for coming down from on high to enlighten us all, now I don't shag men any more I had forgotten I'm supposed to defer. Heheh. Wouldn't you have more fun sending offensive messages on tinder btw? Like I said, is all saggy flesh on here, not worth your brilliance.

God this post is so true. I have spent a week away from my baby watching a beloved relative battling for their life in ICU. They were stable enough yesterday for me to fly home. Grabbed a very late flight exhausted and the man next to me was pissed and leering at the very young air hostess saying he liked them feisty. I moved seats before we’d even taken off.

I love DP and a few select others don’t get me wrong but I have so many amazing female friends and the older I get the less tolerance I have for men and their shit.

Well, then it's surely saying a lot that women would still rather work for them than other women. 🤷‍♀️

Where do women (or anyone actually) vote for male bosses? Where does anyone in fact vote for a boss?

They have these things called surveys nowadays. 😉

oh my god. 'I like a girl with spirit'. I do think this is more common in a certain older age bracket.

Friends and hobbies are nice, I agree.
But it’s not the same as having a life partner.
I’m a woman by the way, if you thought I was a man..
Maybe a little bitter though.
But being always single is unbelievably lonely, I don’t know why anyone would mock an other person for saying that.
Always watchin (mostly) happy couples, I don’t know what it is with MN, but most people seem to have good relationships.
So like said earlier, if one of you women with husbands you’d like to get out of your way, set them free, maybe I’ll finally would find someone.
Everybody wins.

YABU

I have nothing but pitty for the women who fill this thread with such sad stories of their own lives and men they chose to surround themselves with

Although I don't think many will need to be batting away men once their husbands pass or they decide to divorce

I suspect most men and women want to work for a boss they like and respect and gender doesn't matter that much. You're working for a person and not a set of cliches.

Your pity is so very welcome and needed. 😍