I have outgrown men

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Before all the namalt brigade come along I'm well aware.

Thing is it's true I have outgrown the ridiculouness and childishness of men.

I'm married but even so I feel like I'd be better off alone most of the time. Nothing wrong with dh as such but I'm more able and stronger alone.

I have just been to the pub and all the women were complimentary of each other. Going with the flow. And enjoying themselves. The men were either grumpy or showing brovado. There was an incident on our table that involved new men intimidating each other and I just went home.

The thing is this isn't a table of young men. It's professionals and grown ups. I just cant be bothered with it.

None of the women got involved but it spoilt the night.

I told dh I don't have time for such pathetic behaviour.

It never ends. It doesn't matter how old or wise we become men seem to revert back to this strange behaviour.

I deal with it day in day out at my work and I simply can't be bothered. If I never had to see another man, mansplaining, dominating conversation, throwing their weight around, bravado, dick measuring, causing a scene in my life it would be too soon.

Absolutely done with it.

You could argued your point without lowering yourself. Your call.

Also, putting LOL at the start of your posts really isn't the killer blow you think it is.

Not really.
The women here are saying they hate male behaviour and therefore want nothing to do with men. No men will be harmed by some women avoiding them.
Though of course, the men on the Incel forums would disagree. They are saying they hate women because the women want nothing to do with them, and that women should be forced to have sex with them against their will. Which of course would be very harmful to women.

The human race we're such a mixed bag these days. My sons partners and their female friends are more self assured. But talking to them they kissed a few frogs in their time luckily escaped in time.

It must be rather sad living a life so full of hatred and bitterness that you write off half the population based purely on how they were born. Pitiable really.

I know you're only trying to be clever.
But if that remark was in earnest from a man, so what? As long as it just led to him simply avoiding women, rather than annoying, harassing, abusing, exploiting and hurting them; most of us would take that over some of the behaviour we have to contend with.

How could it lead to.him avoiding women if he wants to fuvk them?

Good luck with that....you'll need it...

YADNBU. This is exactly how I feel.

Oh the irony.

An excellent point. He wouldn't would he? He'd have that view of women but would hide it, imposing himself on them or fawning round them, generally either making a nuisance of himself or misrepresenting himself in his efforts to get what he wanted.
Unlike a woman with the same view of men, who nevertheless wanted sex with one. She typically wouldn't need to lie or harass any one to get it.
So yes, I agree, on balance, the statement from a man likely would indicate worse behaviour than from a woman.

It's funny, the other night on here there was a thread about women organising a hen night, with willy straws, vulgar t shirts and penis costumes.

In my time working in pubs I would see a couple of fights with men every now and again. But I'd also see fights between younger women.

But every weekend night there'd be a lot of shouting, lairyness and drunkenness by women from about 40+, just generally making a scene, wanting attention and making themselves look like arseholes, behaving with complete immaturity while binge drinking alcohol loaded with sugar.

The men would more or less drink quietly amongst themselves.

The double standards on mumsnet is unbelievable when it comes to the sexes. A woman was supported the other night because she wanted to leave her job because her husband had received a big pay rise. The husband wasn't happy and that just wasn't good enough for some posters. I can only imagine the outcries of LTB and cocklodging if a man had suggested retiring and unilaterally deciding his wife would be the sole breadwinner.

There's always going to be a bias on mumsnet, but I find these posts almost comical in how they have every one agreeing that women are the paragons of virtue and maturity and almost all men are useless, violent, unemployed wastes of space who shirk all responsibility.

Where I live the older men seem quite brittle and threatened by women. Unable to listen.

The younger ones seem better. Actual conversation is possible.

But every weekend night there'd be a lot of shouting, lairyness and drunkenness by women from about 40+, just generally making a scene, wanting attention and making themselves look like arseholes, behaving with complete immaturity while binge drinking alcohol loaded with sugar.

The men would more or less drink quietly amongst themselves.

Hilarious.

In my time working in bars, that’s the complete and utter opposite to what I witnessed. And, needless to say, was on the receiving end of.

Yes but there are plenty of men with this attitude - I mean, women saying similar should not be a shock. It comes down to the right to choose, a woman who says that she wants to live her life male free except for sex is not different, she's decided the deal where you have to couple up isn't for her. Assuming she doesn't want any more children and a man around, isn't this just okay?

YANBU. I am totally done with men too. They either want looking after,sex,or money.

That's not just what's being said at all!

My god.

Just imagine if a man said that about women.

Oh, is it the stuff like men are responsible for the vast majority of violent and sexualised crime that you don’t like?

Or is it just the bits where women are saying things like, lots of men are bad tempered and selfish and expect to be looked after, especially when they get old?

Or is it the bits about how most men aren’t always that nice to women they decide they don’t want to fuck?

What terrible, awful things to say! I imagine they are all completely untrue, no?

@Idunnowhyibother

And the 'all men are shits' comments?

Love how you always seem to leave those out of your recaps of the thread

Yanbu. All men give me the ick now.

I clicked on this thread thinking it was a joke but it’s not. There are some really nasty comments on here about men, & it’s the extremes of generalisation. Quite uncomfortable to read actually. A lot of anger & bitterness going on. My DH is my best friend, & he’s friends with clever, kindhearted men who would be horrified to read comments like “dull,” “not my intellectual equal,” etc. Surely posters know that there are good and bad people regardless of what sex they are?

It’s hurtful & ignorant to take the failings of a minority & apply them to the majority.

DH is one of the very very few men who isn't a total dickhead. If we ever split up I'd definitely not remarry a male.

I think it depends on the friends you have. I find most other women boring, bitchy or over emotional.Men are much mire straight forward and have more interesting conversation

Why would I reference these comments? I don't feel strongly enough/agree with them so why would I bother? I have my own (rather mild) opinion that men don't particularly add anything to my life other than a nice fuck? What on earth is wrong with that. But seems to have touched a nerve with some very insecure posters. Ah well - your issues to deal with, not mine