I have outgrown men

[Namechanged007]

Before all the namalt brigade come along I'm well aware.

Thing is it's true I have outgrown the ridiculouness and childishness of men.

I'm married but even so I feel like I'd be better off alone most of the time. Nothing wrong with dh as such but I'm more able and stronger alone.

I have just been to the pub and all the women were complimentary of each other. Going with the flow. And enjoying themselves. The men were either grumpy or showing brovado. There was an incident on our table that involved new men intimidating each other and I just went home.

The thing is this isn't a table of young men. It's professionals and grown ups. I just cant be bothered with it.

None of the women got involved but it spoilt the night.

I told dh I don't have time for such pathetic behaviour.

It never ends. It doesn't matter how old or wise we become men seem to revert back to this strange behaviour.

I deal with it day in day out at my work and I simply can't be bothered. If I never had to see another man, mansplaining, dominating conversation, throwing their weight around, bravado, dick measuring, causing a scene in my life it would be too soon.

Absolutely done with it.

A thoughtful and measured addition to the discourse. Thanks for your time.

I haven't seen anything more interesting from you, @UnboxedThoughts

Knowledge to keep me awake at night. 🙄

But……….men & women are different. In their biological makeup, & therefore their interactions, their behaviours & ultimately their life choices. Beyond breeding age I personally think they would be better off mingling with their counterparts as it would make both sexes far happier than if they were to struggle on trying to find some common ground amidst a vastness of difference - which becomes more of a vastness after child rearing & the mutual obligations to co-exist in relative harmony are more or less over. 😀

A lot of men grow bitter and angry with age.

If this thread is anything to go by so do a lot of women.

YANBU

Men as a cohort are rubbish. Individuals are fantastic, obviously there's a huge variety of types of men, but as a class they are responsible for pretty much every awful thing humanity has done. And for only 49% of the population, they do take up an awful lot of space.

THat's the joy of menopause - no longer flooded with Be Nice hormones so we just stop tolerating male crap.

What a man hating thread filled with bitter comments from bitter women

@ideasmirrour

Stop trying to wiggle out of this

You have repeatedly now stated that white women who oppressed, abused and yes were violent towards black men, women and children are just 'Karen's'

That's extremely offensive

You first claim women don't go around oppressing others

Then when it's pointed out many white women have done just that you pivot to something new

You're vile

Its the wholesale rejection by more and more women of being the carer - a role that is usually totally unpaid, for work that actually is paid so women can make their own choices. That is what really changes things for women, you can literally afford not to care.

There are still a lot of men chasing around for women to do this caring function - and a decreasing pool of women who are prepared to do it for them (children are different). That change is pretty recent and only in certain countries. Most men have that still as an expectation, imo.

There are two types of people. People who are happy to treat other people badly and people who try hard not to. Both men and women fall into both camps.

I find the trick is to judge people on an individual basis. (When I say judge I mean as in do I want to know them/interact/be friends etc)

Although with men, I find that any display of misogyny (how do they talk about wife/female friends etc) will let me know if I am interested in hearing anything else that they have to say.

If you son gets engaged would you advise his girlfriend to leave him?

If he treated her the way his dad treated us then I would definitely be having words with him, and her if we had that kind of relationship!

We all hope that we raise our sons to be better, but they become independent human beings, as influenced by society as the rest of us - I can't hope to control them, just influence them and hope it sticks.

I'm certain there are some decent men out there, but I think that the odds aren't great in the various circles I move in. I'm only looking for someone who picks up his own socks and makes me a cup of tea as often as I make him one really, just a reasonable human I get along with, but there's millions of them out there, which makes that harder than you'd think!

I know someone whose wife died leaving him with their four young-ish children to look after. To his credit he has done that, and seems to have worked very hard at setting up home in a new house / getting it extended for the children and him to live there. He showed me the planning permission documents at the time and I saw he had an extended part of the house going out the back marked as "home office/guest room" (he does work for himself so no surprise there). Once that initial phase of setting up home was done tho, the speed with which he got himself a much younger girlfriend and the "home office" appeared to have morphed into the shag den or whatever!! lol was incredibly quick. I get that he was probably deprived of sex because of his wife's ill health but wow!

By contrast I feel very content as a single mum and am in no rush at all to have a man around the house, what a risk that might be if you got it wrong!

So I agree that men do get much more out of being in a relationship by and large than women do.

That's a very clear and fair response.

Thank you.

I will never again share my house, bed, toilet, kitchen, body or money with a man.

I have never been happier.

You clearly can’t read properly. I said you were clearly someone who calls women Karens. It’s not a term I use!

You should go back and read what I actually wrote — since you have badly misrepresented it several times already. But as you are the type of person who throws around abusive terms (“vile”) and name calling without actually getting your facts straight, I can’t take anything you “argue” seriously anyway. HTH.

Mind boggling thread. My wife says and has always said she prefers talking to men and having male friends. Whereas, I prefer talking to women and generally I prefer female friends. Nowt perverted going on either, we've been married 25 years this year, 2nd marriage for both of us, we both had troublesome first marriages.

If I never had to see another man, mansplaining, dominating conversation, throwing their weight around, bravado, dick measuring, causing a scene in my life it would be too soon.

You have just summed up men in a nutshell and I love it 😂

Do you think your kids might disagree? Or you go on about 'sperm donors' around them?

I agree some men are dicks but so are some women! I know a lot of lovely men and adore my husband. I think you’re maybe in the wrong crowd!

I couldn’t agree more. I’m so shocked by it!!

On a separate note the issue being discussed, you are a very rude and patronising women.

Which is ironic as these are the very traits that men are being accused of on this thread.

HTH

@ideasmirrour

Ah so you're just an idiot then

I've never called a woman a Karen in my life

It's an offensive term imo

But you trying to compare the abuse and violence white women committed with 'karenism' is seriously vile

That's not being a Karen, it's being a criminal

To the posters on this thread who say they are happy with their husbands/ boyfriends how did you meet them out of curiosity?

Work for DH

All past boyfriends were uni, school and one was a friend of a friend

All great boys and men

Do you think your kids might disagree? Or you go on about 'sperm donors' around them?

I think you've tagged the wrong person here