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Energy don’t pay or what else

312 replies

jetadore · 25/08/2022 23:29

So the “don’t pay” movement seems to be gaining some traction but so does the “just shut up and pay” movement telling us to stop being so naive and how there are ‘much better ways’ to tackle the issue? What are these ‘better ways’ then? Place my faith in the leadership and benevolence of Liz or Rishi?

I remember people refusing to pay (and rioting) over the poll tax, you hear about protest movements in other countries, what about the yellow vests for fucks sake. Here we’re too scared to do anything in case it affects our precious credit scores, make excuses not to demonstrate because we allowed the government to take away our right to protest.

What am I allowed to do then? Wait for people to start going broke or dying, and then tut over the newspaper headlines? Wait for the next election so we can vote in the same bunch of bastards, or Starmer’s diet bastards? Research and publish my proposal for a coherent, long term energy policy since nobody in government can be bothered? Campaign for world peace? Come up with patronising explanations for how the crisis is due to a complex and unfortunate coincidence of geo-political factors and the prevailing economic doctrine which is actually much better than the alternative when you think about it what are you a socialist or something? How long should I wait and see if things magically get better? Is ofgem going to wait to announce the price cap? No, they’re doing it next month. Just enough time to get onto my bank.

I’m fortunate that I could probably afford the projected (can’t wait for the big reveal, so exciting) increase with a bit of belt tightening. But I’m inclined to cancel my payments all the same, if it would put the shits up them. I don’t want to be all “I’m alright jack” while others struggle, nor do I want to be intimidated by the threat of ccj’s and conservative claptrap, so that the Tories and their mates can sit there laughing at us and blathering on about how profit isn’t a crime whilst we all meekly wring our hands and wait in the cold for the invisible hand of the market to come to our aid.

Just feel like is there something I can practically do to make a difference, now, or am I actually powerless?

PS I know there was a thread on this recently there probably have been others since I didn’t find any when I searched though.

OP posts:
laurajayneinkent · 30/08/2022 00:18

Quincythequince · 26/08/2022 12:55

Good god! This is painful to read.

The companies aren’t ‘charging what they can get away with’ that’s the point of the cap. Do you get that??

Without the cap, it would be so much more.
You realise energy companies (not wholesalers, companies) went bust because they didn’t hedge properly and it became unaffordable right?

Where is the government to get this power from? Who will they get it from
(Even if they set up a company). You think a wholesaler is going to say ‘ for you sir. Special price’ Or are they going to sell it to the government at the rates as everyone else.

Are you aware that this is a wholesaler problem, not so much as as energy supplier problem?

Please do some research.

You can’t just open a company to sell a resource more cheaply when there is a supply problem. And even if they could, do you really think it would be that simple.

What about the record profits that the energy companies are now making??

LittleBearPad · 30/08/2022 00:21

laurajayneinkent · 30/08/2022 00:18

What about the record profits that the energy companies are now making??

Your electricity and gas supplier isn’t likely to be making record profits. The oil and gas extraction companies ie BP and Shell are making record profits. In many cases they are wholly separate

glam11 · 30/08/2022 04:51

Lilyann60 · 26/08/2022 05:10

Exactly! Seems here is a total lack of empathy for many thousands who are already living hand to mouth and literally can not afford these massive price hikes. There is no money in the pot !
I’m seriously worried about the impact this will have on those families already struggling with inflation .
Yes there will be some Government aid but it’ll only cover a proportion of the increased costs.

I’m relieved I do have savings to cover the costs so at least I won’t freeze , go hungry , risk losing my home , go into poverty, become ill; all of which will happen to many many families over the winter.

I don’t know what the answer is but this “I’m alright Jack “ response sickens me.

Lilyann60 I seriously hope they are kidding just to wind up OP, because their attitude stinks!

InWalksBarberalla · 30/08/2022 09:14

I'm quite surprised at all the suck it up posts. The people in power controlling most of the world's wealth must be pretty happy to see the squabbling between those that have a little and those that have less. Stops us joining forces and turning our anger to them.

LittleBearPad · 30/08/2022 09:50

InWalksBarberalla · 30/08/2022 09:14

I'm quite surprised at all the suck it up posts. The people in power controlling most of the world's wealth must be pretty happy to see the squabbling between those that have a little and those that have less. Stops us joining forces and turning our anger to them.

You just sound paranoid

Aretheyhavingalaugh · 31/08/2022 19:51

InWalksBarberalla · 30/08/2022 09:14

I'm quite surprised at all the suck it up posts. The people in power controlling most of the world's wealth must be pretty happy to see the squabbling between those that have a little and those that have less. Stops us joining forces and turning our anger to them.

Agree 👍

Liebig · 31/08/2022 19:54

LittleBearPad · 30/08/2022 09:50

You just sound paranoid

How is it paranoia when this is the oldest trick in the book? Divide and conquer.

Read some Marx. Or don't. Either way, if you think the elite echelons of power don't have vested interests in diversion (Brexit, culture wars, immigrants etc.) to stop people focusing on them as a possible target of their ire, then I have a bridge to sell you.

girlfriend44 · 31/08/2022 19:59

They ask people to ring up if they can't afford the bill
What is the point though they aren't going to let you off though are they?

Liebig · 31/08/2022 20:18

girlfriend44 · 31/08/2022 19:59

They ask people to ring up if they can't afford the bill
What is the point though they aren't going to let you off though are they?

They will arrange a payment plan. Despite all things currently happening, there do seem to be a lot of credit lenders out there not charging massive amounts for money. The recent thing with Iceland giving loans to people in poorer cities to buy groceries got me looking and, frankly, I don't know what's going on there.

It's as if they all think they'll get bailed out when the shit finally hits the proverbial. Just like in 2008.

Unforgettablefire · 31/08/2022 20:28

girlfriend44 · 31/08/2022 19:59

They ask people to ring up if they can't afford the bill
What is the point though they aren't going to let you off though are they?

I think they have funds to help but I don't know who would be eligible for them.
But no there's no way they'll just let people off and those funds won't pay everyone's bills. My nephew is on UC and has debt already, he's on prepay and it's spiralling he just can't catch up even though they've reduced his bill.
I don't know what people are going to do.

the80sweregreat · 31/08/2022 20:31

I heard an ad on lbc radio today from British gas that people can receive help with their bills
If you can hang on the phone most of the day I'm sure they might be able to help some people. They will still want their money , so not sure what this help will involve

girlfriend44 · 31/08/2022 21:52

Liebig · 31/08/2022 20:18

They will arrange a payment plan. Despite all things currently happening, there do seem to be a lot of credit lenders out there not charging massive amounts for money. The recent thing with Iceland giving loans to people in poorer cities to buy groceries got me looking and, frankly, I don't know what's going on there.

It's as if they all think they'll get bailed out when the shit finally hits the proverbial. Just like in 2008.

You still have to pay it with a payment plan though.

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