Anyone else absolutely shocked of three innocent people in Liverpool all drug related!!

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If anyone reading this that takes recreational drugs should be absolutely ashamed of the carnage that their habit is causing…an innocent 9 year old ,20 year old and 22 year old have lost their lives because of other people shitty pastimes …think think think before you snort or smoke that poison!!

Legalising and regulating drugs seems a much more realistic way of comabting the problem than keeping the situation as it is and just magically hoping everyone stops taking drugs overnight.

Some people are trying to reduce harms, or even actually reduce usage.

And others still are wishy washily advocating the death penalty because who are they to have an opinion

You think me and @OneTC are drug dealers? That's... interesting. Au contraire, I've worked in treatment. Unless that was a cover.

No, I don’t think you are, and have been here long enough to know that you have helped pick up the pieces.

I mean in terms of lobby groups (apparently Amazon make donations to drug legalization campaigns, meaning my Tesco comment was not hyperbole) and if we go back to the US, those who lobby against legalization - the prison industrial complex, are not people I would voluntarily socialise with.

Which party do you think would be the most likely to legalize drugs in the UK. Because it is so obvious to me that it would be the tories, in the same cynical way they selling off the NHS whilst creaming off for themselves personally.

Drug related crimes

The murder, gang warfare etc

I'd imagine the Tories would fight anything about legalisation of drugs.

I believe it is mainly blue states that have legalised weed in the usa

Which party do you think would be the most likely to legalize drugs in the UK. Because it is so obvious to me that it would be the tories, in the same cynical way they selling off the NHS whilst creaming off for themselves personally.

None of them. Well maybe the LibDems if they could find their arse with both hands.

And you're right that if the Tories were involved it would be a shit show. It does need to be done properly, with good intent, and none of the major parties are capable of pulling that off right now!

I think the Tories are most likely to do it, b for the wrong reasons unfortunately, but they'll see it for the potential cash cow it is. Labour already failed to deliver what it promised.

Lib Dems have stated it previously as a policy but yeah, lib Dems they can say anything they like knowing they'll never have to do it.

Out of interest does your support for the death penalty in democracies cover any future changes in the law here? Do you allow yourself an opinion on countries like the USA? Anywhere? I mean what is opposing the death sentence in a country that doesn't have it? Definitely the most interesting concept thing coming out of this thread for me!

And re: American thing it's interesting, America holds drug producing countries to ransom with aid, if countries don't engage in long protracted wars with cartels that have almost unlimited funds then America (and other signatories) withhold aid money. Loads of people die so that drug production is hopefully interrupted and yet everywhere is still awash with drugs. So it's completely ineffective policies in America, the UK and Europe that cause all the shit way back to the point of production.

I wonder if we asked the question, imagining we are talking about cynical Tories - “For whom has the war on drug been sufficiently profitable to make it worth continuing?”

I would hate there to be a death penalty in the UK, and would absolutely work against it. To me that is truly the appalling vista.

Nonetheless, as we learned six and a bit years ago, people can get very determined to have The Will of The People brought into law and then everyone has to live with the reality.