Anyone else absolutely shocked of three innocent people in Liverpool all drug related!!

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If anyone reading this that takes recreational drugs should be absolutely ashamed of the carnage that their habit is causing…an innocent 9 year old ,20 year old and 22 year old have lost their lives because of other people shitty pastimes …think think think before you snort or smoke that poison!!

The Matrix were a team set up to fight organised gangs and more serious criminal behaviour. The vans looked like the one below and were equipped with high tech stuff, so rather than phone things in, information could be gathered quickly. Norris Green is were the killer of Rhys Jones lived. It became lawless in the 2000's, Ross Kemp did a program about it. It was full of drugs and guns.

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Completely agree. The streets of Latin American run with blood that is on
the hands of anyone who snorts cocaine.

It was nothing to do with drugs and everything to do with the fact that people where after a burglar who was out of prison on license and he got into their house after her mum opened the door when she heard a noise outside they had shot the fella they where after but when he got into their house they shot at him again and got her mum in the wrist and got Olivia in the chest. The fella is now in hospital being treated for his gunshot wound and will be taken back to prison once he’s recovered to serve the remainder of his sentence.

Sean Mercer lived in Croxteth with his scumbag mother

The poor girl and her family were innocent bystanders, but the man shot was a member of a drug gang.

What? Have you even read the news reports?

I don't think legalising is the answer. Humans unfortunately seem to always look for "forbidden fruit", the thrill of doing something illegal. Cocaine, heroin et al would eventually be seen as boring and commonplace, the kind of thing your parents do. Presumably the strength of these drugs would also be curtailed at a certain level to lessen risk, and so the thrill of a stronger high, possibly more likely to be chemical based rather than plant, would be tempting for those people who would these days turn to the current illegal drugs.

Opium was legal many years ago. People went to dens to smoke it, but then heroin started to be introduced. "If you like that, this is even better"

I don't know what the answer is, but I think whatever it is will be more complex than simply harsher sentences, or legalising drugs.

Stop drugs Co.ing into the country would help and the death penalty for anyone caught smuggling. We are far to soft as usual.

Perfect. Death penalty.

I assume you don't know anything about criminality, economics, politics, psychology or history.

It is time to bring back the death penalty. Why is my tax being used to support rapists, murderers, drug dealers? Id rather my tax went on a bullet to rid of them.

i seriously cannot stand drug takers. From the addict lying in the street to the recreational user who thinks the underworld has nothing to do with them.

well it does. And obviously to blind to see that their drug is part of the problem.

this country needs a clean up

Sigh. So many things wrong with this, but one that might just sink in for you is that juries find more people not guilty if the death penalty is in play. So you'll have more rapists going free.

Sick of people making excuses for drug pushers and drug addicts. Just get rid of them. Innocent people are dying. Children are dying. If there is any conflict between the rights of law-abiding people and the rights of criminals, the law abiders should take precedence every time, at every level.

If the supply of drugs was legal, licenced and controlled from port to consumer there would be no money in county lines. This would mean far fewer young people drawn into criminality. I cant think of any commercial business which would actively choose to have its products shipped from place to place in the orifices of young teenagers.

Some PPs have made good points about the issue of the hard drugs such as heroin and cocaine where the issue is managing addiction and preventing fewer people falling into addiction.

An open supply of lower level highs would have the effect of reducing the appeal of harder drugs for new consumers. Some people will still fall into addiction.

Managing addiction also means pulling the supply of heroin and cocaine into the light. Making that supply legal but licenced and controlled. Making it possible for people to get an adequate, clean, affordable supply.

You mean to say broken windows theory has been 'Woked' to death by those deeming the theory to be 'Unfair'.
The theory is similar to cleanliness is next to godliness, keeping your room tidy, etc, etc. So I disagree, taking pride in not only your personal appearance but your home is important. In the wider community, it's clear why this is important.
Obviously, the current political theory is the relation between the Gini coefficient, equality, and crime. That's been obvious for yrs, but one problem we have is, 'Coke' being cool, somehow society needs to make drugs uncool and unglamorous. I think that ship has long since sailed, there's a whole host of money and advertising behind being cool, good-looking, glamorous. A quick key up the nose is popular amongst men and women when out, makes them feel important. It is of course an illusion, with a hefty price.

Imagine a world where one could walk into a pub and buy not only a high-content alcoholic drink such as a cocktail but a small bag of coke. It's frightening, I cannot see any government tasked with ensuring the health of the population using this approach as a policy. The war on drugs is a constant, the idea that we will win with an end game is a fallacy, it's an ongoing battle.

Imagine a world where one could walk into a pub and buy not only a high-content alcoholic drink such as a cocktail but a small bag of coke.

Imagine a world where one could walk into a pub and buy not only a high-content alcoholic drink such as a cocktail but a soft drink.

A substantial number of people buy a soft drink. A lot of people take their children to pubs. Being surrounded by alcohol doesn't mean people are going to set aside their soft drinks.

Transform Drugs Policy has a number of reports and policy documents that lay out the harms of our current policies.

transformdrugs.org/

There will always be a black market

For many reasons, a lot of drug users don't want to go on a register of addicts in order to obtain their legal doses.

They don't want to be 'maintained' and they don't want to conform.

There are current black markets for legally prescribed tranquilizers, pain meds, buprenophine and methadone.

Nitrous oxide is abused FGS.

There is no utopian happy ending for drug addicts.

Nitrous oxide is abused FGS
It certainly is.
I was confused by the tiny silver canisters thrown around the streets when I first noticed them, now they're using the large canister bottles dumping the empties.
They're everywhere.

@Gingernaut
That's a really simplistic reading of the situation.
Any legalisation will divert cash flows from the black market and reduce profitability.
Yes, you may have some a bedrock of black market users on more harmful/addictive substances but the vast majority of drug users would readily convert to legal markets if they were available. Cannabis is the most prevalent drug after all.
Nitrous Oxide is sort of proof of this. People "abuse" it (though I don't think it's abused anymore than people in nightclubs of a weekend are "abusing" alcohol) because it is readily available through legal markets.
People used spice because it was legally available. When it was made illegal harm was reduced because if you're committing a crime, why not go with actual cannabis?
Drug users will put themselves in harm's way to NOT break the law.

There will always be a black market

True, but if you look at alcohol and cigarettes, the black market is minuscule. There is very little incentive for dealers as the vast majority will just go to their local shop, and buy a product that has been through some kind of quality control, product is also taxed which has the potential for those taxes to then be spent on other, better things.

Legalise at least some of it. That's the answer. Otherwise it's just allowing the British "mafia" to run riot.

Hello junkie would you like some pure at a great subsidised price?

Yeah I can imagine them running a mile from that

Not relevant. Just bring in the daytime for smugglers that would cut it right down.

Britain is too soft no deterrent.

There's counterfeit alcohol and cigarettes seized on an almost weekly basis.

Smuggled and counterfeit booze and fags are sold out of cars, lock ups and boot sales

Smuggled and counterfeit booze and fags are sold out of cars, lock ups and boot sales

Sure. But looking at google this represents less than 10% of the overall sales.

Remove 90%+ from the profits a dealer can make, would massively change the situation with gangs, their money, influence and power.

It’s not about eradicating the black market, that’ll never happen. It’s about reducing the money, and therefore power that the gangs currently have.