Anyone else absolutely shocked of three innocent people in Liverpool all drug related!!

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If anyone reading this that takes recreational drugs should be absolutely ashamed of the carnage that their habit is causing…an innocent 9 year old ,20 year old and 22 year old have lost their lives because of other people shitty pastimes …think think think before you snort or smoke that poison!!

@Briocche actually, the latest news reports say that the 9 year old and family were unconnected to the dealers/gangs. Details here www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/aug/23/gangland-attempt-blamed-for-shooting-of-olivia-pratt-korbel-nine

innocent bystanders - could have been anyone!

more here www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2022/aug/23/what-happened-olivia-pratt-korbel-liverpool-girl-nine-shot-dead-home

Everything should be legalised and controlled properly. This would stop all the related crime.

And no, I don't take coke at dinner parties. Or anywhere.

@Briocche Wow. They were an innocent family, like many innocent families abandoned in areas overrun by criminality.

@MrsTerryPratchett I agree that drugs should be legalised taxed and controlled.
It's the only way to stop the criminal system.

The UK is absolutely FUCKED. Off the scale fucked.

Drugs can only be legalised and taxed if they're sourced through a valid supply chain. As things are, very poor countries are being ravaged by drugs and the supply of them.

Well yes. So you partner with countries who want to do this (start with Portugal, move onto Switzerland and try Canada) and attempt to do the unthinkable, develop fair trade drug supply. Why not? I mean chocolate is what, 40% slavery.

You just have to start behaving like adults. We can't even talk about drugs in a way that isn't utterly divisive. Unlike something like prostitution, where the victim is inherent, drugs are entirely devoid of morality themselves. It's the trade that kills people.

Drugs can only be legalised and taxed if they're sourced through a valid supply chain. As things are, very poor countries are being ravaged by drugs and the supply of them.
After watching the Gordon Ramsey documentary on cocaine there is no way they could legalise it with the chemicals it is mixed with.
They need billboards of cartel murders in every nightclub.

So the people finding the criminal gangs have no responsibility?

By that “logic” I could pay to have your family shot and would bear no responsibility at all for it.

Real life doesn’t work that way; if you are buying illegal drugs you are responsible for the ruined lives that inevitably follow.

Having worked with kids who've been dragged into county lines gangs I can only agree, OP.

I see one of them come through our leafy middle class village fairly often and can't help but wonder if the absolute wanker ordering his weekend sniff knows just how far reaching his support of organised crime goes. Or if he's aware that it's highly likely his little baggy of joy is laced with faecal particles from the kinder egg it's been in, rammed up the arse of a child for evasion purposes.

People who buy drugs don't get to look at these kinds of dreadful stories and shake their heads distastefully.

I tend not to take my pharmacological policy advice from a sweaty chef.

@RobertaFirmino I live in a city where approximately 700 people had been shot between January and March of last year thanks to the fact that drugs generate millions in profits for those who control the turf in which they are sold.

I have friends who have fled the lawlessness of Mexico and Central America; Mexico is a narco state and is completely failing its citizens, unable to provide even the slightest assurance of safety.

LOL at your silly reductionist view.
It's as ridiculous as 'Guns don't kill people. People are the problem'.

Sweaty chef aside the documentary itself would turn most users with an ounce of sense off it.
People have no idea what they're snorting past it came from a plant at some point.

This with bells on.

It's going down the pan fast, and the government don't give a toss.

Yes. Those poor, poor parents. RIP Olivia.

I agree with OP, drug users are the one’s financing these murders. People who buy drugs fund drug murders- it goes with the territory.

Governments are responsible for the shitshow as they are the ones putting it all in the hands of criminals

Not shocked that they happened in Liverpool. Nothing has changed since the murder of Rhys Jones. Young people now take drugs more than they drink alcohol. Massive market to make money for gangsters who don't care about anything except looking like big men.

OP couldn't agree with you more. I come from a very nice middle class area and I know many use drugs recreationally. When you raise about how they are funding criminals who exploit vulnerable children you usually get "well it should be legalised etc". I have no problem if there want to campaign to legalise drugs. There absolutely needs to be a debate on this, but that doesn't justify them buying drugs which are fuelling so much crime and destruction.

The police should target middle class buyers more. Name and shame. I guarantee if people thought they would be in the papers and lose their jobs they wouldn't do this.

@araiwa couldn't disagree more. Not a fan of this government, but this attitude of blaming everything on them is not helpful. People do need to take personal responsibility. These gangs are running riot not because of the addict who is stealing to feed their habit, they are thriving because of people with money wanting to have fun at weekends. They will turn round and look at this story and go, "government needs to do more" rather then reflecting on their own actions.

I agree OP. Any drug user reading this...you are complicit in this poor girls murder. You are funding these gangs. Your demand for drugs is the reason these gangs exist. Drug use is not a recreational pass time. No demand, no supply.

The police should target middle class buyers more. Name and shame. I guarantee if people thought they would be in the papers and lose their jobs they wouldn't do this.

Because why? So they lose their jobs? That doesn't remove the market, not at all. More criminalisation isn't the solution even slightly. Unless you want to do it to the real winners in all this. The Sacklers and their repulsive ilk.

The narrative that only stoners and MC coke heads think legalisation is a good idea hampers progress. I don't touch drugs. I have spent too much time dealing with the fallout of the drug trade. The end with needles in neck veins and ODs and seeing what people will do to get drugs.

If drugs are all legalised I still wouldn't touch them. I believe that fewer people would.

@MrsTerryPratchett because the people I’m thinking of have nice houses, mortgages/kids at private school. They buy drugs without concern now. If people were worried they would lose their job and all of that I guarantee they would stop. They aren’t addicts in the sense they can’t go without these drugs. So it’s tough on a few to act as a deterrent to the many.

I'm not blaming this particular government. I'm blaming all governments around the world who have criminalised drugs. It doesn't work. It doesn't stop people taking drugs.

Prohibition of alcohol in USA is a prime example of what happens