Anyone else absolutely shocked of three innocent people in Liverpool all drug related!!

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If anyone reading this that takes recreational drugs should be absolutely ashamed of the carnage that their habit is causing…an innocent 9 year old ,20 year old and 22 year old have lost their lives because of other people shitty pastimes …think think think before you snort or smoke that poison!!

How do you propose to "just rid of them" ? throw them down a mineshaft? landfill?

Just another knee jerk reaction from a supporter of the Tory party that has slashed Policing, got rid of rehab schemes and wrecked the justice system, allowing people to be released on licence... because there aren't enough jail space.

You lot a fucking joke.

Triggernometry interview with Neil Woods who spent just on 14 years working undercover and in the drugs trade: Undercover Cop: "Drug Policing Makes Things Worse"

Woods argues that not only did his work fail to help vulnerable people harmed by the drugs trade but it increased crime. I found it very persuasive.

It's time for the UK to decriminalise drugs. Get rid of the gangs, free up policing , make it safer for everyone. Just like they have in other countries.
It works , people get help for addiction,. Drug abuse has fallen

The black market exists for tobacco and alcohol because the tax & duty is the majority of the legal market price.

If you legalise and tax moderately, the black market will struggle to undercut the legal market.

The material cost of many drugs is actually quite low. What costs the illegal market is its supply chain. At every step someone is taking a big cut plus theft from the chain.

The legal market will be able to use a commercially viable supply chain with economies of scale.

Lol. Woke.

You clearly have no fucking idea what broken windows theory even is. It was popularised because it seemed cheap. It become unpopular because it didn't work therefore wasn't cheap.

You can believe whatever you want but it's just as convincing as using biblical verse as your evidence.... which you kind of nearly did...

I vote centreparks. I've never been but from what I have read on here it's akin to hell.

I vote centreparks. I've never been but from what I have read on here it's akin to hell.

Talk about cruel and unusual! You're a monster.

And on the Broken Windows theory, it hasn't been woked, whatever the fuck that is, it's been researched and found to be insignificant. Like science. It's correlation not causation with nice surroundings.

But that’s bollox. The supporters of decriminalizing drugs (I.e. yes it will be available in Tesco) don’t mean they want their own actual 14 year old taking coke. They only mean other peoples children should have it, so that they can feel all smug about what good parents and liberal people they are.

I think some on here need to understand that us humans have been taking mind altering substances for thousands of years, we have one legal way of doing this that is alcohol and yet the drug trade is worldwide (although the uk is ranked high in the world) and the Albanians have cornered the market with regards to european distrubution. (It is not an uncommon theory that the Albanians have not yet managed to break through into Liverpool)

But as with the failed 'broken window' solution, the war on drugs hasn't and obviously doesn't work as has been shown world wide.

Calling for an out and out ban is not showing even a basic reading of the situation

Like in California?

Yeah sure, because all “mind-altering substances” are the same, aren’t they.

How anyone can look at the wanton destruction of lives and democracy due to drugs and go “I know, let’s have more of that by legalising it.” shows incredible stupidity or extraordinary levels of cynicism.

I want people selling drugs to get very very long prison sentences. Death penalties for drug dealers are very popular in countries that have them, and if you don’t understand why that is, then you should get to the point where you can sympathize before blabbing on how about what a good person you are for wanting to legalize coke.
Coke users fund murders- that’s who they are and their morality.

This!

Death penalties for drug dealers are very popular in countries that have them.

are they the same countries that chuck gay people off tall buildings by any chance?

For all the problems caused by drugs, alcohol and tobacco kill far more people every year. Because they are used by far more people. If heroin and crack and other drugs were as readily available as beer or cigarettes, the effects on public health would be absolutely devastating.

Not usually- I was thinking of Singapore.

But go you using gay people as a human shield for drug dealing scum.

But that’s bollox. The supporters of decriminalizing drugs (I.e. yes it will be available in Tesco) don’t mean they want their own actual 14 year old taking coke. They only mean other peoples children should have it, so that they can feel all smug about what good parents and liberal people they are.

In places which have tried sensible decriminalisation of harder drugs (no not in Tescos) the overall use, first use, crime and deaths have all reduced. So in fact fewer 14 yo children use at all, and fewer die, fewer get sick, fewer commit crimes and end up with a criminal record.

Nothing to do with being liberal, in fact Switzerland's drug policies are very liberal for a deeply conservative country. It's to do with preventing harm and death.

They are readily available, to anyone that looks. At any given time of day I could get hard drugs just as easily as I could get a pint.

But with zero oversight and with 100% of the profits going to scumbags

True it's simply illegal there.

But keep looking at these people as your guiding light

www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2022/07/singapore-un-experts-call-immediate-moratorium-executions-drug-offences

Yes Britain, be more Singapore

Overweight people do not get their food from a fat dealer !!

Serious thread I know, but this did make me giggle

Well try to engage with the actual point.

i think those that sell coke should be in prison, serving long jail sentences and you think… well it’s hard to say because you won’t actually engage.
But it does seem that you are really complacent about the murders currently happening, that are made for by coke users.

I would just like to know whether you think the murderers should have a free run. Or whether you just want their customers handed over to big Pharma?

YANBU everyone who smokes a little, snorts a little are directly contributing to this

This all day long

So was everyone who drank a beer in Al Capone's days. They weren't the problem though, prohibition was.

Yeah big pharma can absolutely have them.

The criminals will do other crime I'm sure. I'm more concerned with the people continuing to die owing to a relatively easily changed policy that has proven results in other countries.

Do I want to see drugs sold in pubs like some idiot suggested? No. Do I want to see it in supermarkets? No. Do I think that a doctor prescribing a drug on the NHS is preferable to the current situation. Yes. Do I think that the people that are currently prescribed legal cannabis are in a better moral position than those who don't. Yes. Do I think we've got a depressingly young average age for heroin users? Yes. Do I recognise that in other countries where they take a different approach that the average age of heroin addicts is 20 years older. Yes.

The current situation isn't working. No amount of bleating is going to make people stop doing drugs. You can either go in really hard on it and end up on a list with Yemen and other delightfully progressive places that still have major drug problems or you can try something different.

I don't think some people realise the current level of availability. We essentially have a fully accessible fully unregulated market that is left entirely in the hands of criminals. There's greater obstacles to a 14 year old buying a pint than there is to a 10 bag