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sanddownthatwall · 2022-08-21T23:09:13+00:00

The poster, with a very large following, is saying a size 18 isn't really plus size by much, and that 'most people (in the UK), are above a Size 16? Really? I don't know that many people above a size 16. I really don't. I know lots and lots of size 12/14 and thought that was about average? It's usually the first sizes to sell out https://www.instagram.com/p/ChiDp-1Mos3/?igshid=MDJmNzVkMjY=

TheyreOnlyNoodlesMichael · 22/08/2022 17:55

What you find disgusting isn’t really of concern to others. Can I suggest that you pay more attention to your own life, and stop being so judgemental of others?

This entire 29 page long thread is filled with judgement on others disguised as 'concern', and yet you come out with that☝️....

I know you think you did something here, but I'm afraid I'm just baffled.

RedToothBrush · 22/08/2022 18:05

Lineala · 22/08/2022 16:06

No it absolutely isn't right, but we've already seen doctors having to make those type of decisions during covid. There weren't enough ventilators, so how do you think clinical decisions are made?

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And like covid, if ambulances are tied up with people having health issues linked to their weight then that also has an impact on access to healthcare for everyone. Including children. Otherwise we all need to pay more for other people's lifestyle choices. Which is why it always comes back to money whether you all damn well like it or not.

And yeah there plenty of other issues where the same applies. But that's merely a straw man argument anyway.

HintofVintagePink · 22/08/2022 18:07

I’d consider that very overweight/obese.
The ‘size 16’ myth is self deceiving at best. I’m the largest woman in our circles and I’m a 14 at the moment. I’m well aware I’m bigger than I should be.

Paq · 22/08/2022 18:21

This entire 29 page long thread is filled with judgement on others disguised as 'concern'

No, it isn't. There's lots of information and reasoned discussion. Obesity is a global health problem that people should be able to discuss without worrying about hurty feelz...

Justine878 · 22/08/2022 18:23

RedToothBrush · 22/08/2022 18:05

And like covid, if ambulances are tied up with people having health issues linked to their weight then that also has an impact on access to healthcare for everyone. Including children. Otherwise we all need to pay more for other people's lifestyle choices. Which is why it always comes back to money whether you all damn well like it or not.

And yeah there plenty of other issues where the same applies. But that's merely a straw man argument anyway.

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Is debating the cost of obesity in the NHS, while on a thread talking about the prevalence/acceptance of plus sizes not a straw man argument in itself? Do you honestly think that saying to obese people that they are irresponsible and will cost taxpayers money will work as a deterrent to obesity? Because I don't. You are just shouting in the wind.

DixonD · 22/08/2022 18:27

FlyingSaucerss · 22/08/2022 00:12

Size 16 is average I’ve always heard? For the U.K.? Most people I know seem to be much slimmer though so don’t know how true that is

I hope that’s not true! That’s bad.

WhatALotOfAFussAboutNothing · 22/08/2022 18:28

Do you feel the same way about size 6? Because I think a size 6 is like a child size and can’t belong to an average healthy adult human woman but I see that sold everywhere despite only ever knowing people with anorexia to be a 6. But for some reason being unhealthily UNDER weight is deemed ok whereas god forbid someone be plus size!

Bubblebubblebah · 22/08/2022 18:30

Oilyoilyoilgob · 22/08/2022 17:49

Wow, well done on a 3 stone loss-I know personally what it takes to do that so I’m sending a massive virtual high five! You’ll smash the other two stone-like you said with tracking it’s easier to control cals in vs out and see how many you’ve burned if you exercise.

I said to my husband at the gym while we were on the treadmill-I can’t imagine doing this carrying a two stone backpack, but I was doing that up to the start of Covid in regards to my extra body weight. Mine was a gradual increase from good living (!) and not enough moving and I didn’t really notice how fat I’d got because I gained it slowly. It’s a lot more effort to get it off 😅
Well done on your weight loss so far, that’s awesome 👏🏻

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Same here. Very slow continuous weight gain. I basically just overeat like 2 eggs a day worth of calories... You know you put on weight but don't realise (denial in my case I guess) how much!
Hard slog it is. I lost 100 pounds so far and slowly keep getting ro of the rest.

Best of emergy to all of you losing

collosalbrainbearer · 22/08/2022 18:33

WhatALotOfAFussAboutNothing · 22/08/2022 18:28

Do you feel the same way about size 6? Because I think a size 6 is like a child size and can’t belong to an average healthy adult human woman but I see that sold everywhere despite only ever knowing people with anorexia to be a 6. But for some reason being unhealthily UNDER weight is deemed ok whereas god forbid someone be plus size!

You can make your point without calling grown women children. Size 6 may be small, but there's no need to be rude. You've likely just upset someone reading, instead of the smug posters on here

Bubblebubblebah · 22/08/2022 18:34

Justine878 · 22/08/2022 18:23

Is debating the cost of obesity in the NHS, while on a thread talking about the prevalence/acceptance of plus sizes not a straw man argument in itself? Do you honestly think that saying to obese people that they are irresponsible and will cost taxpayers money will work as a deterrent to obesity? Because I don't. You are just shouting in the wind.

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Unless i misread size 6 has waist 60-64 cm? That's not anorexic waist😳 i had that until about 24 and was nowhere near anorexia. I did have massive boobs and hips.

LastWordsOfALiar · 22/08/2022 18:53

ExtraOnion · 22/08/2022 11:24

I’m 5’ 4” and a size 24

I swim a mile three times a week, when not swimming, I do a regular 7k local walk.

I’m sexy as fuck

unless I’m sat on your face, my weight is none of your business.

In my new dungarees today (thanks Yours clothing) … my deck shoes, and my newly red hair … I’m looking good.

I think it's great you're confident and sexy. Also kudos to you doing 3 miles of swimming a week, that will definitely help your joints as you get older. Swimming is a great all round exercise so doing that regularly is a massive bonus.

But that doesn't make you healthy. Unfortunately weight alone, has a big influence on your likelihood of getting type 2 diabetes (if you don't have it already), high blood pressure and other issues. I'm 5'4" and can only imagine how hard it must be at times to move your body around for long periods of time. Bending down for things, crawling with your children (if they're young, I find I'm always on my knees playing, reaching for toys, nappies etc), walking up flights of stairs.

If you genuinely don't have breathing difficulties, joint pain or diabetes (or prediabetic) that's amazing, but I worry you may have it soon.

Being sexy has nothing to do with weight, we all find different bodies, faces, personalities attractive. I don't think anyone has mentioned plus sizes being less sexy (although realise the media do insinuate that smaller is sexier which isn't true).

My close family member was obese when I was growing up. They developed type to diabetes in their 40s, high blood pressure and have nearly died multiple times due to weight related influences on other illnesses. They're unstable on their feet miss out on a lot now due to a lifetime of ill effects of obesity.

Losing weight has nothing to do with increasing sexiness. It's about giving your body a chance to be balanced and reducing the pain and damage that obesity causes.

MorganKitten · 22/08/2022 18:56

Johnnysgirl · 22/08/2022 00:13

Of course it's plus size. It's very large.

its not very large.
I work out and play a lot of sport, I have always had giant boobs, and 18 dress sits better on me, I have a totally flat toned stomach so don’t see myself as very large, tall yes as I’m 5’8,

CountFoscoslittlewhitemice · 22/08/2022 18:58

This thread has really depressed me.
A year ago I was a size 20 (5'8"). I have spent the last year losing weight (5stones) and am now a healthy bmi and a size 14. I was feeling so proud and good about myself for the first time in a long time. But, thanks to this charming thread, I find that I'm still fat and unhealthy.
I do think people who start these threads ( and claim so disingenuously that they're not being judgmental,just stating facts) should think before they post. Not everyone has a perfect life, shit happens and some people deal with that by eating. They know they're fucking fat they really don't need you to tell them how unhealthy they are. They'll deal with it when they have the emotional energy and mental bandwidth to do so. You're fake concern makes that time retreat further into the distance.

JimTheShit · 22/08/2022 19:01

Just because the UK average is size 16 doesn’t mean that it is no longer plus size. It means that the average UK women is “plus sized” or, god forbid we offend, fat.

Normalising being overweight doesn’t mean an overweight person won’t suffer from all the usual ailments of being overweight.

Stravaig · 22/08/2022 19:11

LastWordsOfALiar · 22/08/2022 07:24

It's size 16 the mean average (add everyone's size up and divide by number of people) or the mode average (most common size)?

People think talking about weight, dress size, obesity is goady. But it isn't.

I care about the average size of the UK population because I don't want the NHS to collapse under costs of type 2 diabetes.

I care because I don't want my kids to grow up thinking why not have more takeaways because I'm only a size 10 and most others are much bigger. It's still not healthy eating poorly regardless of size.

I don't want people to feel out of breath from using stairs or bending over. Falling when older due to poor balance and unstable joints due to weight. Being on medication everyday. Their back hurting, knees, shoulders and feet hurting.

I don't care what sizes are "plus" sizes. But I also don't want size 16+ to be considered normal or healthy. It hardly ever is (unless you're a 6" woman which is rare).

Not because I want to hurt others. But because I want my kids to understand that health matters and dress sizes can indicate there's a problem and stimulate change.

Personally my jeans becoming tight is my first trigger to reduce the crap I'm eating.

This is really well put.

juice92 · 22/08/2022 19:18

I think what she is trying to say is that, it doesn't mean Victoria Beckham is really catering to plus size people. Yes a size 18 is plus size but it is generally seen as one of the smaller - if not the smallest - size in a plus size range.

Also the company in particular caters to people up to a size 40, so probably have a very different lens and it to other people.

Also some pretty unnecessary comments about fat/overweight people on this thread.

Jourdain11 · 22/08/2022 19:21

collosalbrainbearer · 22/08/2022 18:33

You can make your point without calling grown women children. Size 6 may be small, but there's no need to be rude. You've likely just upset someone reading, instead of the smug posters on here

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Yes. I'm a size 6. I'm 5'7". And there's no way that I'll state those facts without someone saying that I'm "child size", or "obviously anorexic" or "gloating". It seems much more acceptable to be rude about thin people on MN...

juice92 · 22/08/2022 19:22

And also the people who claim to care about the strain on the NHS. I hope you have the same view of:

people who smoke
people who regularly drink above and beyond the recommended limit
those who take part in extreme sport
those who use illegal drugs
those who take part in risky sexual behaviour
those who eat a lot of high salt/high fat food who are not overweight

Justine878 · 22/08/2022 19:43

JimTheShit · 22/08/2022 19:01

Just because the UK average is size 16 doesn’t mean that it is no longer plus size. It means that the average UK women is “plus sized” or, god forbid we offend, fat.

Normalising being overweight doesn’t mean an overweight person won’t suffer from all the usual ailments of being overweight.

No Shit Sherlock.

Not sure what you're point is though? Stating the obvious just your thing? The average size is fat... so what do you have to offer in way of interesting debate? Anything?

Justine878 · 22/08/2022 19:46

CountFoscoslittlewhitemice · 22/08/2022 18:58

This thread has really depressed me.
A year ago I was a size 20 (5'8"). I have spent the last year losing weight (5stones) and am now a healthy bmi and a size 14. I was feeling so proud and good about myself for the first time in a long time. But, thanks to this charming thread, I find that I'm still fat and unhealthy.
I do think people who start these threads ( and claim so disingenuously that they're not being judgmental,just stating facts) should think before they post. Not everyone has a perfect life, shit happens and some people deal with that by eating. They know they're fucking fat they really don't need you to tell them how unhealthy they are. They'll deal with it when they have the emotional energy and mental bandwidth to do so. You're fake concern makes that time retreat further into the distance.

You have done amazingly, don't let mumsnet get to you or take away any of your achievements. You are smashing it!

Oilyoilyoilgob · 22/08/2022 20:35

Bubblebubblebah · 22/08/2022 18:30

Same here. Very slow continuous weight gain. I basically just overeat like 2 eggs a day worth of calories... You know you put on weight but don't realise (denial in my case I guess) how much!
Hard slog it is. I lost 100 pounds so far and slowly keep getting ro of the rest.

Best of emergy to all of you losing

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Whoa 100 pound loss is absolutely amazing-a massive well done and I bet you feel fantastic. What an achievement!

Yep that was me too, it crept on….I only drank two glasses of wine a week max (I no longer drink) but that would lead to me wanting takeaway, or eating rubbish the next day (I’m a lightweight drinker 🙈) but it was slow gain month by month. I didn’t really register and as my trousers got tighter I sized up thinking ‘I’ll cut back a bit’. Had an epiphany during lockdown 1 when I started proper walking with my husband just how heavy and unfit I felt.

All my fault, but looking back I realise how uncomfortable my body felt carrying the extra weight, and I don’t like being fat in the heat. I’d like to lose another 16lbs and I’m happy losing slow and steady.

well done again on your weight loss, I think that’s just so fantastic 😃

Hazjack · 22/08/2022 20:40

I'm size 8-10 and 5'3. My legs and thighs look big still, very wobbly(working on it!). When I was a size 12-14 post-partum I looked very overweight. Size 18 I'd look very fat and have loads of health issues. I think height counts for a lot.

Paq · 22/08/2022 20:41

@CountFoscoslittlewhitemice don't be depressed! You are a healthy BMI! That's brilliant.

Many, many people, including me, have said that dress size is entirely meaningless. Don't focus on the ones that think it matters.

Congratulations on your weight loss.

CountFoscoslittlewhitemice · 22/08/2022 20:42

Thank you Paq

Jourdain11 · 22/08/2022 20:42

Hazjack · 22/08/2022 20:40

I'm size 8-10 and 5'3. My legs and thighs look big still, very wobbly(working on it!). When I was a size 12-14 post-partum I looked very overweight. Size 18 I'd look very fat and have loads of health issues. I think height counts for a lot.

Height, but also frame. I'm a UK size 6 and 5'7", but I have a very narrow frame and bone structure. I don't look underweight or bony (trying to find a better adjective, but hopefully you understand what I mean), even though my BMI is 'underweight'.