To think size 18 is plus size and not 'hardly plus size'

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The poster, with a very large following, is saying a size 18 isn't really plus size by much, and that 'most people (in the UK), are above a Size 16?

Really? I don't know that many people above a size 16. I really don't. I know lots and lots of size 12/14 and thought that was about average? It's usually the first sizes to sell out

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It is definitely plus size. It is not glamorous, it is not healthy, and it shouldn’t be fucking normalised.

Great posts @YellowPlumbob . Especially this ^

So you are denying then that there is a correlation between income and obesity levels?

How strange.

And why would the presence of other factors remove the effect of this one?

The pathological need of some posters to deny facts, and to pretend that people’s shape is nothing at all to do with any personal factors is really strange.

Yes, this is it exactly. I'm not sure why there's so much disagreement. Plus size just refers to the range of clothes sizes not so easily found in the usual high street shops, as you say. Size 18 is is the usual range of sizes sold in clothes shops.

Glad you rock it, but you are still fat . . ..

And this will have a detrimental effect on your health. Basically, the larger you are the harder your heart has to work to pump the blood around your larger body. This means your heart becomes enlarged and you are likely to die younger and be in poorer health as a result of heart disease and other diseases due to obesity. Fact.

Accurate as usual, RedToothBrush, but you'll get few thanks for it on here

As we see on every thread on the subject, some just don't want the issue discussed and that's unfortunate

Well done!!!!!

I haven't posted this for a while. This is the obesity system map that the government used to inform policy. It's pretty old now, published by foresight in 2007 but I think it's still a good visual representation of the multi-factorial causes of obesity (I've included the simplied version too). It genuinely is not as simple as eat less, move more - if it was hardly anyone would be overweight.

I'd love to see a shift in the language around weight and obesity. Maybe if we didn't call people fat, which is used as an insult all the time to people who are larger and can come with heaps of judgement and started to talk about having excess fat on our bodies instead, people might feel less judged and unhappy and more able to do something about. Since I changed my perspective from me being fat (and therefore ugly, horrible and greedy) to having excess fat on my body but still being a pretty decent person who is worthy of being cared about I have lost 4.5 stone. I still have a long way to go but I'm on the right road. I am not fat, fat is not me, it is something I carry too much of.

Aw thank you very much!

I tagged you as you just made such a good point about smartwatches/fitbits and they really are so useful.
I stopped wearing my Fitbit and going to the gym for 3 months for medical reasons but now I’m back with both it’s pretty amazing seeing just how much work is needed to burn off calories-it certainly has made me think twice about what I’m putting in vs what’s getting burned off.

That’s to @Ithinkitsenoughnow why can’t we have an edit button 😩

I think that by honing in on the supposed ability to defer gratification as the 'most likely' explanation for the link between income level and obesity, you're not only ignoring the causal link between poverty and obesity; but also failing to account for the large numbers of highly paid successful people who are overweight.
Your own need to place the blame for obesity exclusively on the shoulders of the obese person is leading you to over simplify the issues and ignore facts that don't support your theory.

Perhaps they mean that as most retail plus-size ranges only start at 18, its just into that category.

In fact most retailers now have 18 or even 20 in their mainstream ranges.

It's amazing how judgy and smug many of these responses come across. When will women stop seeing plus size as a moral failing?

It's not, it's simply a bigger dress size. Being a size 10 - shock horror - does not make you a superior human.

I have two daughters with eating disorders/BDD and threads like this make me despair.

@GlittercheeksOakleaf Your post is brilliant! I totally agree

@ExtraOnion
I bet you look awesome! :-)
@Lineala
Why the hell would you SAY that to ExtraOnion? That's really mean & scary. :-(

@anon666
Absolutely. :-(

Mean and scary?

How old are you mama bear?

That’s a very juvenile sounding response and FWIW, extra has already said she knows the risks and doesn’t care.

She’s not scared by it at all.

And yes, it doesn’t sound nice does it, but it’s a risk.

It is factual. Overweight people are at high risk of lots of diseases. Heart disease, stroke, diabetes etc. Yes it is scary, which is why obesity is a major issue and why an honest dialogue about the risks to your health is important in this country. Not to mention the huge costs to the nhs obesity causes.

Has anyone sphere said being in plus size is a moral failing?

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Why are you putting your words, rather than mine, into quotation marks, imo,hung that it’s a verbatim quote from me? You must know how dishonest that is, would you please have the decency to not do it?

I said that it’s one likely reason for the correlation, and it is, it’s one factor among others.

You seem absolutely desperate to imply that there is no question of choice, or free will involved in cases of people who are obese because of overeating, but you know that that’s not true, so what point is it that you think you are trying to make?

I love how on here size 24 looks awesome (and Imm sure extra onion probably does look great), but size 14 and below is indicative of ‘angry thin people’ and ‘skinny Minnie’s’

These insults based on size in this thread are very telling.

The disingenuity and hyperbole on here by posters dying on the hill of ‘18 isn’t plus size’ is just cracking!

Making up examples of things that weren’t said and then false quoting other people.

Spectacularly bad form.

I'm a 16-18 and I'm fat. But lots of people are fat nowadays. I'm not as fat as plus sized models on TV and stuff and I don't have like a overhanging belly or fat overhanging my knees. But I also definitely feel the extra weight I'm carrying. I'd say 8m overweight but not plus sized, I've never known a shop not stock my size tbh and they often sell out quickly. But I can also get my size from plus size targeted shops so 🤷‍♀️ I think it is quite on the boundary of social fatness, but very much overweight medically

I used to be a designer for the high street.

The majority of women in the U.K. are a size 16.

Size 18 was not considered outsize. Clothes were disoatched in ratios from the smallest to a size 18.

20 is when you start to get to bigger sizes.

It’s hard to know where to start, isn’t it, when claims like this are made? Size 24 is great, sexy, and people that size are very happy despite knowing that they face becoming disabled and dying very young because of it, but anyone size 14 is skinny, mean, and judgemental.

When did the narrative switch to it being fine to be so unpleasant about people who are closer to a healthy weight?

I find that claim very hard to believe. Have you and data suggesting that over 50% of women are a size sixteen?

Size sixteen or over is plausible, but not over half of women being a size sixteen.