To think size 18 is plus size and not 'hardly plus size'

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The poster, with a very large following, is saying a size 18 isn't really plus size by much, and that 'most people (in the UK), are above a Size 16?

Really? I don't know that many people above a size 16. I really don't. I know lots and lots of size 12/14 and thought that was about average? It's usually the first sizes to sell out

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I’m trying to lose weight from my 3rd pregnancy and I didn’t have the Apple Watch with the other 2 - this is making me SO much more aware of why weight doesn’t come off or does from one week to the next! I find it very motivating. I think everyone should get one if possible (Fitbit or whatever possible). I’ve lost 3 stone after each pregnancy. It’s hard but it’s very much possible it just takes understanding and hard work/determination. I have 2 stone left to go with this one and I find it gets easier because the more you lose the more results motivate you on/the fitter you are and the less hungry/fewer cravings.

You didn't say it was one like reason though? You said

Yes, the same issues that can lead to obesity (inability to defer pleasure) can also lead to poverty, which is likely a major factor in the correlation. Holding down a high-paying job requires the same sort of planning, discipline, and constant effort that maintaining a healthy BMI does.

Seems quite a dishonest statement from you?

You're right. I apologise. You didn't say 'most likely' you said 'major factor', although you've now changed this to 'one factor'. Yet I note you make no reference to the other factors.
I'm certainly not desperate to show anything. I don't expect you to have read my previous posts, but had you done so, you will find so little evidence of that, that I'd think you must be confusing me with someone else. As the daughter of an obese mother, obese purely due to her love of food, I'm the last person to deny the role of choice and free will.
I engaged with your post because I disagreed with the weighting you gave to the ability to defer gratification in the link between poverty and obesity, and to ask you how the fact that so many wealthy successful people are overweight fits into your theory. That's really all I'm interested in hearing.

I was also against the calories on menus because it ruins the fun of going out but actually it’s helped me make better choices and makes a lot of sense. Eg I didn’t realise a burger at a pub would be 1300 calories - I’d estimated 700/800.

Some of the posters here are very insistent on dress size being linked to medical assessments of weight, and health implications of such.

They're simply different concepts and different measures. By conflating them, you're revealing your core beliefs that people who are over a certain size should be made to feel "unusual" or "abnormal".

And then extrapolating that to a public health issue that doing so is somehow for the greater good.

1. There is nothing in our laws as yet mandating what retailers have to classify their sizes as something that creates a value-judgement on behalf of society.

2. Any such law would be grossly unfair anyway, as larger dress size doesn't = more unhealthy, its an over-simplification.

3. Even a discussion along those lines would expose this crap for what it is - a bunch of thin people trying to find reason to fat shame others.

There are umpteen things more important to health - smoking, genetics, alcohol consumption, mental health. I don't consider these to be appropriate reasons to look down on others either. It's totally unhelpful and massively hypocritical.

I said likely a major factor. The invented quote is nothing like that, and no, mine is not a dishonest statement.

It’s like you and others can’t even start to understand that certain personality traits have negative outcomes in more than one area.

It’s as bad as when posters on here ignore the heritability of intelligence to try to paint inter generational correlations as necessarily being down only to privilege.

Look up the obesity paradox.

Lol id rather not waste my time correcting my grammar instead il use my time to exercise so I don't end up an extremely fat walking time bomb ready to have an heart attack!!!

Do you know, I am not interested in talking to you. Just in clarifying I didn't feel @5128gap was dishonest. Her post made perfect sense to me.

That's funny because it seems like you're sat on your arse posting nonsense on mumsnet.

I think you'll find obesity and it's consequences is the biggest killer in the uk.

Honestly why should what someone else weighs bother anyone? Too many people with their opinions on what other people should weigh or what dress size they should be. Let people be. Some people have a weird obsession about other people's vital statistics.

18 is borderline plus size to me. 16 is a fairly standard size...yes large but not huge. 20 is definitely plus size.

I'm a size 14/16 but don't really wear any plus size brands despite many of them starting at a size 16 because I find they are very generously cut and are far too big for me.

Stating facts isn't nonsense it's true my love fat is unhealthy a lot to do with no exercise and to many calories not being burnt of I walk 90 minutes to work and back evedyday at 22 weeks pregnant i also work on my feet the whole time I'm there as well no excuses people just lazy end of!!

16 might be technically the average, but that's surely skewed by very big people. You don't see THAT many size 16 plus. I don't know anyone that big.

I'm 5'8" and a size 16 and I am most definitely overr-weight/plus-size/fat/a chunky monkey, whatever you want to call it.
There is nothing healthy about being size 16+, despite what some other fellow fat people may believe.

Yes, the same issues that can lead to obesity (inability to defer pleasure) can also lead to poverty, which is likely a major factor in the correlation. Holding down a high-paying job requires the same sort of planning, discipline, and constant effort that maintaining a healthy BMI does

This is just bollocks. I know plenty of overweight people in high paying jobs.

I think its because some people make a personality out of being thin. Its their achievement, their USP, the visual manifestation of their superior self discipline and hard work. These people want a reward for their effort and self denial, and that reward needs to be the admiration of others. Any suggestion that fat people are equally attractive, successful, or even have the temerity to like themselves, threatens their position of superiority, so they kick against it very strongly.
Of course, there are people genuinely concerned about the health of other people, or merely participating in a discussion about an interesting subject, but generally they express their opinions more moderately, because its not so personal to them.

Two sentences that sum up what I've spent two long posts trying unsuccessfully to get across.

I concur. It is absolute bollocks. Churchill was obese. Kim Jong Un is obese. Obesity is not a moral failing nor a personality trait. It's a societal disease and the sooner we treat it like that the better for everyone.

Yes, the same issues that can lead to obesity (inability to defer pleasure) can also lead to poverty, which is likely a major factor in the correlation. Holding down a high-paying job requires the same sort of planning, discipline, and constant effort that maintaining a healthy BMI does

This is one of the stupidest things I've ever read.

People only seem to equate being fat with being lazy and lacking in willpower when it comes to women. Most senior jobs are filled with white men, quite a lot of whom are fat.

I think its because some people make a personality out of being thin. Its their achievement, their USP, the visual manifestation of their superior self discipline and hard work. These people want a reward for their effort and self denial, and that reward needs to be the admiration of others. Any suggestion that fat people are equally attractive, successful, or even have the temerity to like themselves, threatens their position of superiority, so they kick against it very strongly
Of course, there are people genuinely concerned about the health of other people, or merely participating in a discussion about an interesting subject, but generally they express their opinions more moderately, because its not so personal to them

This is so true.
On virtually any thread about weight, you will come across posters who get very offended that there are overweight women who don't hate themselves for it.

I think its because some people make a personality out of being thin. Its their achievement, their USP, the visual manifestation of their superior self discipline and hard work. These people want a reward for their effort and self denial, and that reward needs to be the admiration of others

Absolutely! You are spot on @5128gap And not only that, they have a whole performance out of being slim. I couldn't possibly eat all that. How could you eat a whole bar of chocolate/a whole sandwich/half an apple? And so on.

This is just bollocks. I know plenty of overweight people in high paying jobs

Yes! Indeed quite often due to their sitting down all day but stressful jobs.

One of the biggest issues in the nhs is dealing with the consequences of some of the general population failing to take responsibility for the fact that their life choices of eating too much, exercising too little, smoking and drinking are why they are in a hospital bed, having limbs amputated, stents inserted or having a lung removed.

I would say we are all entitled to a view that those life choices makes it more difficult for those who are paying their taxes and made healthy choices to get decent service in the nhs. So the country becoming fat is something that does affect all of us.