To think size 18 is plus size and not 'hardly plus size'

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The poster, with a very large following, is saying a size 18 isn't really plus size by much, and that 'most people (in the UK), are above a Size 16?

Really? I don't know that many people above a size 16. I really don't. I know lots and lots of size 12/14 and thought that was about average? It's usually the first sizes to sell out

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Someone below average height and a size 24 is very unlikely to be enjoying life very much. At that size if there are not already serious health problems, they are unlikely to be far away, and the size itself will be causing issues with hygiene, lifestyle, and general capacity to operate normally.

Running, climbing ladders, playing sports, fitting into an airline seat or cinema seat, walking up several flights of stairs, all of these are going to be difficult.

Being happy consuming as many resources as two normal-sized people isn’t a morally neutral decision

@CanDo92 More likely that someone wealthy and slim is consuming twice the number of resources that they need to - especially fossil fuels/carbon.

I am 160cm tall, a size 24 and 128kg in weight. My blood pressure is naturally 102/58 and at the moment I am not suffering any health issues related to my weight but I wonder how long I’m going to be able to keep dodging the bullet for. My weight is slowly starting to go in the right direction though as I’m walking more.

Maybe instead of victimising yourself, be grateful you don't live somewhere like the US where your health insurance premium would probably be higher than average to reflect risk.

@Kelly1991 it really isn’t that simple. If it was it wouldn’t be a problem.

I’m not sure I really believe that acceptance movements encourage people to attain or maintain unhealthy weights. Most of us have a sense of what’s normal and healthy for us. I think acceptance just stops heavy people from sliding into a depressed spiral.

At least that’s my instinct. In the same way that heroin chic or whatever was dangerous to anorexics but didn’t really recruit people to anorexia.

I don’t follow, why are you trying to bring wealth into it? Food has a massive carbon footprint, if you eat twice as much as an average person then of course you will be using more fossil fuels.

There seems such a dishonest attempt on this subject to deny any and all effects of people’s decisions, or to deflect attention to a completely unrelated issue.

another day on MN and yet another ew fat people thread. Don't you lot get bored with talking about other peoples' bodies relentlessly?

I think its a balance. My mum was obese and happy. Very beautiful, very confident, very content with her increasingly sedentary life and her lovely food. She died in her early 60s as a direct result of her weight, leaving us all devastated. She desperately wanted to stay around as she loved life, and lost out on decades of it. Not to mention the pain and restricted lifestyle she suffered at the end.
If it were a case of a simple exchange of giving up a few years to live how you choose, and could be reduced to quality versus quantity, that would be one thing, but its not as neat as that. Obesity related illnesses creep up, can be protracted, painful and miserable for the person concerned and those who love and care for them, and both quality and quantity of life are compromised in the end.

This is such a good point, and one that I've been thinking about too. There are very few other 'vices' that I can think of that are visible to others. Eating too much or the wrong type of food, will eventually show on our bodies in a much more obvious way than drinking/smoking etc, not to mention the countless other emotional/mental physical issues that people may be dealing with. So being overweight is open to judgement in a way that very few other problems are. As a friend said to me recently, we are all a bit buggered in one way or another.

The health-risks related to excess weight are also a bit more complex than people like to claim. Subcutaneous fat, especially below the waist, is massively less dangerous than visceral fat, for example. Your ethnicity and genetic predisposition to certain illnesses will also be important in this context

Exactly. My BMI is 28 but my height/waist measurement ratio is in the healthy range. 39/30/39 (inches) are my measurements. I still want to lose weight but I don't think anyone would look at me and think I'm really fat.

Most can eat enough calories to lose weight and do exercise not everybody as an excuse to do no exercise and stuff there faces while not burning any of the excess calories of I've been fat and done something about it i never made excuses because I had nobody but myself and my bad habits to blame its about looking after your health why wouldn't people want to be in good health.

No excuse not to spell properly but here we are…

I'm fat and exercise and I don't stuff my face (pleasant term)

Stuffing your face stops being cute after the early years. It's a habit best left to hamsters.

There seems such a dishonest attempt on this subject to deny any and all effects of people’s decisions, or to deflect attention to a completely unrelated issue

Not at all, it's a valid objection to your simplistic assumption that overweight = consuming twice the number of resources @CanDo92 .

My healthy diet includes cashew nuts, avocados, lentils and chickpeas among other things which are definitely not grown locally. If I worked that out in food miles/energy consumption/water/land required etc I don't think it's clear that someone who ate say, a burger and chips, a bacon sandwich and a load of crisps instead is consuming more resources.

And by the way, wealth definitely comes into it @CanDo92 when it comes to consumption of resources.

www.bbc.com/future/article/20211025-climate-how-to-make-the-rich-pay-for-their-carbon-emissions

Nothing dishonest about including it in this discussion.

I never said you do but there is a lot that dont exercise while putting in the extra calories.

good on you for taking care of yourself

Also poverty and obesity/poor health are not exactly unrelated @CanDo92

www.kingsfund.org.uk/press/press-releases/new-analysis-stark-inequalities-obesity-england

Perfectly valid to bring "wealth" into it.

Adverse Childhood Experiences (ACES), has also been linked to obesity.

The poster who is below average height and size 24 is most definitely not consuming 1,500 calories per day.

But you knew that.

Yes, the same issues that can lead to obesity (inability to defer pleasure) can also lead to poverty, which is likely a major factor in the correlation. Holding down a high-paying job requires the same sort of planning, discipline, and constant effort that maintaining a healthy BMI does.

Since evidence suggests a strong correlation between obesity and poverty, then I guess it depends what area of the U.K. you live in. I'm tipping towards a size 16 for first time in my life (bastard menopause) but I see lots of people considerably bigger than me round my neck of the woods...

You hit the nail on the head there. I have gone from a size 20 to a 10/12 ice this last year. I am not dieting but I start my fast at 7pm at night so nothing after 7pm and I break the fast at 9am . I don’t eat processed rubbish but I also try to keep costs as low as possible . I have a big appetite so likes decent portion but I’ll have stuff like

”fries” made out of carrots and I lightly coat them in chic pea flour and seasoning to give them a nice crisp, I’ll have this with a nice burger maby a bean burger or some meat variety. Instead of a bun I’ll use a bunch of lettuce leaves and wedge it between that and I’ll have a drizzle of whatever sauces I fancy too . Soups , stews, I’ll have chilli over some steamed veggies with a little sprinkle of cheese or something . A huge part of the problem is people not knowing how to cook or how to utilise what they have already to benefit them nutritionally

Given the number of people with good jobs who are overweight and the number of slim people who are low earners, that's rather a stretch.
You know well that the link between poverty and obesity is due factors other than the supposed shared character traits of the people concerned.