To think size 18 is plus size and not 'hardly plus size'

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The poster, with a very large following, is saying a size 18 isn't really plus size by much, and that 'most people (in the UK), are above a Size 16?

Really? I don't know that many people above a size 16. I really don't. I know lots and lots of size 12/14 and thought that was about average? It's usually the first sizes to sell out

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Can anyone at all explain to me why it matters?

21 years ago I worked for New Look. They had just launched the Inspire plus size range, which was size 16+. A size 16 back then was considerably smaller than it is now. I was a 12-14 then, I'm a 12 now, but I weigh at least a stone more, and my boobs and stomach are bigger (thanks pregnancy). The sizes we had end up in the sale were always 16+, they hardly sold. 8-10 always sold out quickest.

We have adverts on every corner telling us smoking kills. Obesity kills, but as proven by this thread, if anyone dares to mention it they are fat shaming and being horrible people who can't possibly understand. One day there will a big advertising campaign telling us obesity kills and people will just have to deal with it. I suspect alcohol consumption will also go in the same direction. I've lost two family members to type two diabetes with my mum well on her way to being the third. This is a problem and saying oh it's fine and normal to be obese isn't helping.

And as for the people who are overweight because of a medical condition, yes that happens, one of my best friends is in the same boat, but it's also very rare that obesity isn't being caused by anything more than eating too much and moving too little.

As for metabolism, I believe the evidence is that for most people it doesn't change significantly as you age, it's more the level of activity changes

But a lot of that is unavoidable due to work and family commitments. You don't generally have the freedom to spend your time as you would like in your 40s as you do in your 20s.

I'm five foot eight and I'm pretty tall. I certainly wouldn't say average as I'm taller than most of the women I know, and significantly taller than quite a few of them. I only know one woman in my social circle who's six foot tall.

That’s modern time frames, though. The notion of middle age spread goes back as far as a time when forties were commonly empty nest years.

Wow you work 24 hrs a day. Amazing.

It has been explained many times. Obesity causes massive health issues. Obesity becoming the norm in the UK will have a detrimental impact on society as a whole. Jeremy Hunt described obesity in children as a national emergency. Those are children been fed and exercised by adults.

‘Rising levels of obesity are a major challenge to public health.There are expected to be 11 million more obese adults in the UK by 2030, accruing up to 668,000 additional cases of diabetes mellitus, 461,000 cases of heart disease and stroke, 130,000 cases of cancer, with associated medical costs set to increase by £1.9–2.0B per year by 2030. Adult obesity rates have almost quadrupled in the last 25 years.

of course obesity matters.

Just because a particular size is the average size for a population, it doesnt make it healthy. It means we are, as a nation, heading into a crisis and not dealing with it effectively because peoples feelings will be hurt.

People with families and jobs can walk places, unless they have a disability. They can be active around the home. My point if you'd quoted the whole post rather than just a part of it, was that my everyday life was more active because I couldn't afford the things that now make it easier but less active.

There’s a definite “movement” around normalizing unhealthy weights, and as mentioned above, this has societal and individual costs associated with it.

We have a serious problem with obesity in the UK.

The research is its to do with lifestyle change though. You naturally have more physical lifestyle with very young children.

I look, and was classed as obese, when I was a Size 14. I'm a Size 12 now and I still look overweight, but I am only 5ft 2. Even at a Size 10 I still looked it. I only look slim at a Size 8 but that's a bitch for me to maintain.

@RedToothBrush no but I work long hours and I'm disabled. I walk with crutches and it's very painful for me to move around. I have aids in my home to assist me.

But you carry on

Yes, exactly and this happens on almost every single thread about plus sizes or weight.

There are some extremely controlling Mumsnetters who do this to try and close the conversation down, or to make the thread all about them and their feelings.

Tiresome but predictable.

People with families and jobs can walk places, unless they have a disability. They can be active around the home. My point if you'd quoted the whole post rather than just a part of it, was that my everyday life was more active because I couldn't afford the things that now make it easier but less active

I didn't quote your whole post @Goosygandy as it was not relevant to my point. Most people aren't overweight because they pay other to do the physical work for them - that only applies to a small and relatively privileged part of the population. My argument is that most people are overweight because they feel overworked/overburdened and under long term stress which causes many health problems including obesity- which then causes more health problems and so it goes on.

My argument is that most people are overweight because they feel overworked/overburdened and under long term stress which causes many health problems including obesity- which then causes more health problems and so it goes on

And with the cost of living and NHS crisis, the health of the nation is going to get much worse.

I’m 5’ 4” and a size 24

I swim a mile three times a week, when not swimming, I do a regular 7k local walk.

I’m sexy as fuck

unless I’m sat on your face, my weight is none of your business.

In my new dungarees today (thanks Yours clothing) … my deck shoes, and my newly red hair … I’m looking good.

You naturally have more physical lifestyle with very young children

i was actually a lot less active than before I had children as I was knackered most of the time from lack of sleep.

I pay tax.

Its my business.

I agree, I don't think think 2000 calories is helpful. I do a lot of exercise, but in middle age gain weight on 2000 calories regularly.

However, if you eat "healthy" food 2000 calories is a lot of food. If you eat junk it's hardly any. I'm convinced that's the real answer. If you eat good nutrious food in halfway sensible protions, at regular mealtimes and don't snack/graze your weight will be fine. If you have a lot of weight to lose it will take time, but it will happen. Of course junk food is designed to be addictive so that's not easy either.

Calorie counting encourages the "it's only 110 calories" snack bars that have no nutrition, do nothing to keep you from feeling hungry. They're expensive and don't even taste good and people have been taught they're doing the right thing .

@RedToothBrush you pay tax. How do you feel about the fact that I get PIP even though I'm fat?

I agree completely, your weight and lifestyle as an individual, is none of my business, but the weight and lifestyle of the population as a whole is a problem and it does need discussion and solutions.

Are you being serious? 😂

I agree, I don't think think 2000 calories is helpful. I do a lot of exercise, but in middle age gain weight on 2000 calories regularly.

@Unscented I gain wait on 2000 calories. Whether that's 2000 calories of vegetables or 2000 calories of KFC, it's still 2000 calories. To maintain, I have to stick to around 1500 calories, to lose, it needs to be around 1100.

It's worldwide.

I would guess it's a combination of factors - largely our overly processed, high sugar diets, gut biome changes, and more sedentary lifestyles.

Pup is purely based on capacity, so it’s not clear what your point is.

You seem to be trying to goad people into saying something offensive here, which is a bit off.