To think truss will be a disaster for uk?

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All the polls say she is ahead of sunak but I’m dreading her getting into power. Can anyone think of any positives as I’m struggling. I’m not that keen on sunak but given the choice I’d much rather him.

Nicola Sturgeon

You all wanted Boris gone, and I am said at the time and I will say it now, he will be replaced by a far more right wing PM and it is wrong to remove him, he was not perfect but he cared a lot about social care, levelling up, green energy etc - none of those things are remotely conservative.

Those very same posters screaming for Boris to go will be the same ones suffering the most. And no, I doubt it will help Labour. Labour are splitting quietly or not so quietly in two, by the time we reach pre election stages there will be open warfare between the LP and the unions/far left. We pretty much have no one to vote for now folks. In some ways we might end up unified, in one homeless mass. Literally.

No Bojo cared about talking about these things e.g. his SC bill did and does nothing for retainment or recruitment of social care staff.. which is more money.

Green Energy? he removed incentives to insulate homes and for heat pumps, he also blocked on shore wind.

Levelling up? done nothing..

Womens rights, 12 years of the Tories have seen these slashed.

Though why you think none of these V important policies are remotely conservative, is rather worrying.

BJ had no political ideology or morals, so he could be extreme right or left...

Arguable whether Truss is far right, based on most of her political life, she is more to the Left than Corbyn....

Excellent way of putting a positive spin on a looming disaster!

I just wonder how much damage she'll manage to do in the next 18 months or so before the next GE though. She's bad enough as foreign secretary, after her snidey comment about Macron the other day. France is a NATO ally, for fuck's sake.

The Tory party is nothing but UKIP in disguise now. The ERG disaster capitalist headbangers are totally in control, and it bears no resemblance to the Tory party pre-2010.

The likes of Heseltine and Hurd would struggle to get selected as candidates today. And I think it's appalling that just 160,000 people are choosing the next PM. I'd like to see a rule that if the party of government changes leader, they have to have a general election within 90 days of taking office, so that we all get a say.This will be the 3rd time in just over 6 years that we've had a PM imposed on us by the Tory party.

‘The Tory party is nothing but UKIP in disguise now. The ERG disaster capitalist headbangers are totally in control, and it bears no resemblance to the Tory party pre-2010.

The likes of Heseltine and Hurd would struggle to get selected as candidates today. And I think it's appalling that just 160,000 people are choosing the next PM. I'd like to see a rule that if the party of government changes leader, they have to have a general election within 90 days of taking office, so that we all get a say.This will be the 3rd time in just over 6 years that we've had a PM imposed on us by the Tory party.’

Well said @LakieLady . Spot on.

he was not perfect but he cared a lot about social care, levelling up, green energy etc - none of those things are remotely conservative

what’s your reason for believing he cared about any of these things? All of these areas are tangibly worse following twelve years of tories and his premiership.

if he does/did genuinely care then at best he’s just plain incompetent.

1992 isn't really comparable. Major was reasonably competent, particularly in terms of finance, and his policies were beacons of humanity when compared with Truss's.

Don’t be ridiculous. Labour handed over the reins with empty coffers in the middle of the financial crash of 2008 or did you conveniently forget that fact? It took ten whole painful years to get the country back into shape and then covid happened.

The rewriting of history on here is ludicrous.

You think the country was ‘back in shape’ when covid hit?

the (global) financial crash explains depleted funds don’t you think? What do you think our funds look like now? Do you think we’re well placed to get through the next impending crash caused by chinas property bubble bursting?

Face it, the tories have been in power for over a decade and literally nothing has improved, in fact many areas (healthcare, water, education, logistics) are worse directly caused by the fact they’ve been neglected or wrung dry to fund mates projects.

We’re a failed state.

plus the silence is deafening that you can’t specify anything to defend your assertion,

Labour lost in 2010, not 2008, their fiscal plans for the banks were supported by the Tories.
The coffers were not empty at all, GDP was still almost 2 trillion, tax revenue still around 800 billion, the money to bail out the banks was mainly borrowed, the note left by Burn, was part of a long standing "joke" going back decades.

12 years of austerity and every single thing they said they would improve has got worse, often a great deal worse.

Austerity lasted far too long and is at the root cause of most of our problems, no other european country carried it on for so long & that is solely down to the Tories who are now more right wing than RN or the Freedom Party.

John Major understand economics, he was chancellor of the exchequer.But in 1990, the country was different to today. We’ve just had Brexit, a pandemic.. So can’t really compare.

Actually a lot of what Major said made sense when in came to many things.

People on benefits were pretty much left alone too.

Id rather have him back then the two potential leaders, Truss is favourite to win.

And the next GE is two years away.

None of the old Tories can believe what has happened to their old party.

Particularly the rewriting of history in this post. Austerity was purely ideological, there was plenty of money - Osborne and Cameron just didn’t want to spend it. If only the Libdems had jumped the other way in 2010, how different things would have been.

I notice with interest that a Wikipedia edit which references Liz Truss as having a "clear sharp mind" has been rejected with the reasoning that "Liz Truss has never demonstrated a clear sharp mind in her life."

No, they didn't leave empty coffers. That is well known to be a myth. Actually Brown was one of the most capable Chancellors we've had. It is you who are rewriting history.

She's great for Scottish independence. Even better than johnson and thats saying something.

I will leave this message here.

In my view, you are grossly underestimating her, which is no bad thing. I genuinely believe she will grow into the job in ways that are unexpected. She is a very strong person. I would have preferred Boris, but would choose Liz Truss all day long over Rishi Sunak.

The fact that you would have preferred Boris Johnson says a lot about your standards and your judgement.

Selling LT as the next best option to the worst PM we've ever had is hardly a ringing endorsement!

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we* *all leave messages here @Festoonlights , incase you hadn't noticed

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She won't grow into the job because she won't be the one doing the job. She's a populist and a puppet for the ERG / more right-wing elements of the Tory party. She holds no real views of her own and, in effect, stands for nothing. Her time will be just like Boris's: full of "leaks" to the press to see how the public respond and then constant U-turns when the public balk at the ridiculousness of the policies. We've already seen it from her and she isn't even in post yet.

Generally - certainly in politics - past performance is great predictor of the future. And I see nothing in Liz Truss less than stellar rise to power that suggest competence. Excepy in arslikan.

Even now - her idea of a "Cheese force" to mandate improved diary education in early years is merely posturing to the gallery.

@Festoonlights I'll just leave this message here.

If you honestly still think Johnson has any place in the government of a sane country, then I fear for you. If you're genuine and not just being goady, then you've clearly been under a rock for the last several years.

@Festoonlights I'll just leave this message here.

If the Tory party was led by Larry, the number 10 cat you’d maintain he was a strong and inspirational leader guaranteed to storm to victory in a landslide at the next election.

That creature Reece Mogg runs the Tories and Truss is his puppet. We are in for some very dark days while they loot whatever is left to grab. And Labour are a disgrace as well, busy pontificating on what a bloody woman is while Rome burns.