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How to Refuse Friends Coming to Stay Without Causing Offence

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TheFlyingFox · 20/08/2022 11:48

Since this is the topic of the month, probably because its holiday season, I wondered what other peoples' thoughts were on this.

I've recently had a visit from a friend, her OH and their adopted teenage son for 8 days. They were really nice guests, respectful, courteous and polite and we had a nice time. They asked to come well in advance and we had plenty of time to prepare. I have no issue with them. Even so, its quite hard going having another family living in your home for that long, but again not a problem as I know them well (apart from the teenager who was a little moody at times, but again not all that bad).

We live outwith the UK in a country which is popular for holidays.

But its my childhood friend I really want to see. I would love for her to get a break and stay on her own but there seems no possibility of that, even though her OH is perfectly happy to look after their kids on his own.

Anyway, I accept I cannot change her mind on this. However, on leaving friend suggested quite heavily that they come for another holiday in 9 or 10 months time, this time bringing their 9 year old foster daughter with them (different country, different rules on fostering/adoption). Without putting too fine a point on it, this child is quite disturbed and suffers from behavioural difficulties. We have a small farm with lots of animals and pets, of whom I am very fond. I have no idea how unpredictable the child's behaviour can be. She can have tantrums involving screaming and damaging things and seems to demonstrate attention seeking, dramatic behaviour. My friend admits this and that she has behavioural problems. I don't want to sound melodramatic, but I'm really worried that there might be a slight risk that the child might do something to one of my animals, and I would never put them at risk. I just don't want to do it, and I don't know how to say it without damaging the friendship or sounding unwelcoming.

They are all city people and I have to watch them carefully around the animals/farm so that they don't put themselves at risk anyway - found friend in with the cows petting them while they were eating their hard feed for instance on the last visit! Nothing malicous in it on their part, but they don't quite realise that animals can be dangerous or alternatively, easily harmed, by someone doing something wrong that they think is harmless.

I just don't want to host the child at all. I'd love to see my friend on her own (which her very helpful, laidback OH would happily facilitate) or her and her OH together, but not their kids. I'm a bit mmnn about how my willingness to initially host friend and then her OH too (first visit was friend on her own, second was friend with her other friend whom I didn't know, third visit was friend and her OH and last visit was friend and most of her family).

I'd really love to spend time with friend alone, even for just a couple of days, just her and me, but she's turned into bloomin' Mother Theresa and its just not possible any more.

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TheFlyingFox · 20/08/2022 11:48

And btw, name changed for this one as so as not to be identifying!

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Viviennemary · 20/08/2022 11:52

I would make up an excuse like sick animals and you are busy. Or say I dont think foster child would enjoy this envirnonment and your insurance might not cover it if there was an accident to her.

Onynx · 20/08/2022 11:53

Why don't you just organise a 'girls wknd away'- no husbands, just the two of you?

YourUserNameMustBeAtLeast3Characters · 20/08/2022 11:53

I’d just be honest, as even without the more difficult daughter it’s too much:

I love to see you but it’s just too much having another family to stay on top of work and the animals. I’m getting a bit old and stuck in my ways, it’s not personal to your family. If you come to visit on your own then that would be great and you can stay here no problem, but more than just you and I’d prefer it if you stay in a hotel/guest house/ air bnb nearby.

overitall1 · 20/08/2022 11:54

I would say 'let's talk about it closer to the time' then when you do find a reason not to accommodate them, others visiting, you being away, building work. Assuming you are unable to just say 'no', which I would understand as I would be the same.

Mumspair1 · 20/08/2022 12:00

8 days is quite a long time to host anyone. I wouldn't do it in the first place for that reason alone. Let alone hosting difficult kids. Say that let's discuss near the time as you might have other visitors/family staying most likely. When the time comes, say you are unable to.

TheFlyingFox · 20/08/2022 12:04

overitall1 · 20/08/2022 11:54

I would say 'let's talk about it closer to the time' then when you do find a reason not to accommodate them, others visiting, you being away, building work. Assuming you are unable to just say 'no', which I would understand as I would be the same.

She tends to "book" months in advance, ie contact me with dates to organise a visit and I suspect if I just say busy then, then she will try for another date. If I refuse that then she will realise I'm avoiding a family visit and I suspect, rather sadly now, that the friendship might cool off. I don't think she is that interested in spending one on one time with me any more. So I guess theres my answer...

I don't want to be seen as a holiday farm theme park for someone's disinterested kids. I don't think the teenager will come again as he was clearly getting to the age that holidaying with his parents is a little bit babyish for him and he wasn't interested in the farming or animals, which actually made things a bit easier as I didn't have to check up on him!

So I guess theres my answer...

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Winter2020 · 20/08/2022 12:05

You have asked your friend to visit alone but she hasn't been up for that.

So it seems you can either spend time with her in the way she chooses or grow apart.

I think it would be nice of you to allow the foster daughter to visit under strict rules no children unsupervised with the animals. I think it is a bit of a reach to think the child would be unkind to an animal because she has behavioural problems unless you have a reason to think this.

I think if you tell your friend her foster daughter can't visit because she will hurt the animals she will be upset and offended. Surely she wouldn't suggest bringing her if she thought she would hurt the animals.

Do you think your friend would be more interested in one on one time if you met up for a holiday/city break somewhere neutral. She might think it sounds boring hanging around alone while you look after your animals.

YanTanTetheraPetheraPimp · 20/08/2022 12:05

I’d simply say that I can’t plan anything that far ahead.

Blossomtoes · 20/08/2022 12:06

You need to be honest and straightforward. Tell her how much you value her friendship and that you’d really like to see her on her own.

CruCru · 20/08/2022 12:07

8 days is much too long to host, even if the guests are utterly delightful. Yes, say that you just can’t make plans that far in advance.

Chamomileteaplease · 20/08/2022 12:12

I think honesty is the best policy but that means time spent thinking of a diplomatic email! Worth it though.

You only want to see her on her own. So it's quite easy really, she can decide if she wants to do that or not.

Hopefully you can get some wording suggestions from this thread.

Agoodsurprise · 20/08/2022 12:12

"I'm not up for a whole family visit, it's a bit much for me now. You'd be welcome to come on your own though".

I've done this ( different reasons for not being up for whole family to come) and my friend was very understanding about it.

As you say, it might change the friendship, but that happens in life anyway. Relationships change with different life stages.

notanothertakeaway · 20/08/2022 12:13

Many foster children have behavioural issues due to trauma. I'd offer to have them but just for a weekend, so you can supervise

Monr0e · 20/08/2022 12:15

Based on your second post, I feel I have to agree with you. She is using your home as a convenient holiday destination. And not just for her family but also her friend you hadn't met? How long was that trip for and did she equally include you? I think she showed her true colours there. She doesn't seem concerned about upsetting you so you shouldn't worry too much about saying no to her.

And if her friendship is reliant on you providing holiday accommodation for her and her family and friends, then unfortunately she's not much of a friend.

category12 · 20/08/2022 12:16

"I'm not up for a whole family visit, it's a bit much for me now. You'd be welcome to come on your own though".

This.

MarmiteCoriander · 20/08/2022 12:19

category12 · 20/08/2022 12:16

"I'm not up for a whole family visit, it's a bit much for me now. You'd be welcome to come on your own though".

This.

This, and then add, if you are coming with the whole family, there is a great hotel called X, or a motel called Y. We could always meet up for a meal there or go to the theme park/coast/village etc together.

I agree that if you have offered to meet her for a girls only trip and declined, then maybe things have cooled off. It does sound like a convenient, free holiday too! I'd fine 2 days enough, let alone 8 with a whole family!!!

Mintchervilpurslane · 20/08/2022 12:20

I still think your post may be quite identifying op!

I think you are perfectly within your rights to refuse. It's a little bit cheeky to stay eight days with anyone imho save for very, very close family, and even then ... . Three days is about right for visits, especially when bringing other family members with you.

I think the only thing you can say without causing offense (because she may take it as a criticism of her daughter which might kill your friendship) is to say something along the lines that you are not accepting any visitors at all atm as you have had a lot of visitors recently and you need to focus on personal projects. Those are all "I" (or "we" ) statements and nothing to do with her or her daughter.

And tbh nine months is quite soon to come again! Hasn't she heard of hotels?

TheFlyingFox · 20/08/2022 12:22

notanothertakeaway · 20/08/2022 12:13

Many foster children have behavioural issues due to trauma. I'd offer to have them but just for a weekend, so you can supervise

I don't want to supervise children visiting my home because its a working farm, its far too stressful. I simply cannot supervise a child 24 hours per day as I can't get any jobs on the farm done if I do that. I just don't want the foster daughter there at all. The son was 16 at least and not a worry as he was quite sensible and just kept out of the way but I'm very risk avoidant, because its a working farm.

Unfortunately, if I explain this to friend I think she will take it as a rejection so I think its probably best to do as a pp suggested upthread and be upfront about it and say that I'd rather just spend time with her alone and she can use it as a break from family responsibilities. (have tried this before but she always says she can't leave foster daughter alone, etc).

I don't want to suggest them staying in a nearby hotel or b&b either (I don't think they would be up for that anyway) as they would still want to visit the farm and do the "farm experience" thing with the child and I'd end up giving her pony rides, etc..

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TheFlyingFox · 20/08/2022 12:26

Monr0e · 20/08/2022 12:15

Based on your second post, I feel I have to agree with you. She is using your home as a convenient holiday destination. And not just for her family but also her friend you hadn't met? How long was that trip for and did she equally include you? I think she showed her true colours there. She doesn't seem concerned about upsetting you so you shouldn't worry too much about saying no to her.

And if her friendship is reliant on you providing holiday accommodation for her and her family and friends, then unfortunately she's not much of a friend.

It was for a week. Honestly, all visits have been great fun but I feel that hosting peoples' children is a different kettle of fish. Her and her OH are great company but obviously he will have to stay behind to look after their children if they don't come.

I will suggest a long weekend away before the due date for the next suggested visit comes along and if she isn't interested in doing that, then thats a shame. I think she does need some time away from all these family responsibilities.

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Str8talker · 20/08/2022 12:27

Tell her what you're telling us, in a nice way. If she takes offence, apologise for her feeling that way and tell her to accept that that's how you feel. Don't go ahead with the upcoming proposal.

gabsdot45 · 20/08/2022 12:30

YABU by refering to their son as their adopted son.
He's just their son. The fact he was adopted is irrelevant.

AlisonDonut · 20/08/2022 12:34

I'd probably say that you have decided not to host any kids any more, adults only as the farm animals are just too much of a risk and you can't be on standby to watch them all the time as they just don't understand that animals are not pets.

PuppyMonkey · 20/08/2022 12:35

Tell her that a busy working farm isn't a suitable environment for a vulnerable looked after child and, anyway, her social worker would probably not allow it due to possible dangers/risk assessments would be too difficult etc etc. Also your farm insurance wouldn't allow it or something? Then change the subject!

TheFlyingFox · 20/08/2022 12:36

gabsdot45 · 20/08/2022 12:30

YABU by refering to their son as their adopted son.
He's just their son. The fact he was adopted is irrelevant.

It actually is relevant to this situation as the adopted son is her OH's son and is related to the foster daughter. Its also relevant because he was adopted at quite a late age and friend has spent a lot of time dealing with his issues.

YABU to assume its all as simple as you would like to make out and about monikers. YABU to criticise people for not mentioning details that are relevant but personal to the situation.

Thank goodness this has all occurred in a different, non-English speaking country overseas.

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