Meet the Other Phone. Child-safe in minutes.

Meet the Other Phone.
Child-safe in minutes.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

AIBU?

Share your dilemmas and get honest opinions from other Mumsnetters.

How to Refuse Friends Coming to Stay Without Causing Offence

157 replies

TheFlyingFox · 20/08/2022 11:48

Since this is the topic of the month, probably because its holiday season, I wondered what other peoples' thoughts were on this.

I've recently had a visit from a friend, her OH and their adopted teenage son for 8 days. They were really nice guests, respectful, courteous and polite and we had a nice time. They asked to come well in advance and we had plenty of time to prepare. I have no issue with them. Even so, its quite hard going having another family living in your home for that long, but again not a problem as I know them well (apart from the teenager who was a little moody at times, but again not all that bad).

We live outwith the UK in a country which is popular for holidays.

But its my childhood friend I really want to see. I would love for her to get a break and stay on her own but there seems no possibility of that, even though her OH is perfectly happy to look after their kids on his own.

Anyway, I accept I cannot change her mind on this. However, on leaving friend suggested quite heavily that they come for another holiday in 9 or 10 months time, this time bringing their 9 year old foster daughter with them (different country, different rules on fostering/adoption). Without putting too fine a point on it, this child is quite disturbed and suffers from behavioural difficulties. We have a small farm with lots of animals and pets, of whom I am very fond. I have no idea how unpredictable the child's behaviour can be. She can have tantrums involving screaming and damaging things and seems to demonstrate attention seeking, dramatic behaviour. My friend admits this and that she has behavioural problems. I don't want to sound melodramatic, but I'm really worried that there might be a slight risk that the child might do something to one of my animals, and I would never put them at risk. I just don't want to do it, and I don't know how to say it without damaging the friendship or sounding unwelcoming.

They are all city people and I have to watch them carefully around the animals/farm so that they don't put themselves at risk anyway - found friend in with the cows petting them while they were eating their hard feed for instance on the last visit! Nothing malicous in it on their part, but they don't quite realise that animals can be dangerous or alternatively, easily harmed, by someone doing something wrong that they think is harmless.

I just don't want to host the child at all. I'd love to see my friend on her own (which her very helpful, laidback OH would happily facilitate) or her and her OH together, but not their kids. I'm a bit mmnn about how my willingness to initially host friend and then her OH too (first visit was friend on her own, second was friend with her other friend whom I didn't know, third visit was friend and her OH and last visit was friend and most of her family).

I'd really love to spend time with friend alone, even for just a couple of days, just her and me, but she's turned into bloomin' Mother Theresa and its just not possible any more.

OP posts:
Wonnle · 20/08/2022 12:37

Why can't people on here say what country they live in ?

It's like a great big secret

Mintchervilpurslane · 20/08/2022 12:38

Btw op I think you are very justified and sensible being cautious about the safety risks on a working farm. There are so many accidents involving children every year. And as your work is where you live it does put a different spin on things.

TheFlyingFox · 20/08/2022 12:38

Wonnle · 20/08/2022 12:37

Why can't people on here say what country they live in ?

It's like a great big secret

Why on earth would you want to know that? What difference would it make?

OP posts:
fuckblippi · 20/08/2022 12:42

How can she say she can't leave her daughter but then make trips with her friend, her oh and her son previously? What reason did she give for wanting to visit but bringing a friend you didn't know?

Id just say sorry, I'm happy to host just you but I'm finding extra people stressful and with running the farm I don't get a lot of down time.

AyBeeCee · 20/08/2022 12:49

8 days is a lot to host another family! That's too long a visit for everyone.

I would be honest and say it's a working farm and you can't have children around the animals.
So suggest you make it a girls weekend as you'd love to see her and suggest some dates.

If she says oh the children would love it and they'll be fine near the animals just keep repeating " Sorry we can't have children here with all the animals. Now how about a date for a girls weekend "

TowelingThoughts · 20/08/2022 12:58

"I'm not up for a whole family visit, it's a bit much for me now. You'd be welcome to come on your own though".

Perfect, say this.

A good friend will respect this and want to see you on her own. If she is stroppy, insistent or won't come you know she's not a good friend after all.

Mymoneydontjigglejiggle · 20/08/2022 13:00

I'd phrase it that it's YOU who needs the break / time away and suggest a trip to a different place, just you and her. I'll be totally honest, I'd be far more receptive to a friend saying "wow I really need a break from everything here and would love if you could come with me to X" than I would to "your kids are annoying and you look like you could use a break", however politely it was phrased.

rookiemere · 20/08/2022 13:05

I think it's perfectly valid to mention that as it's a working farm you don't think it would work with her DD - not sure if you have DCs of your own in which case that doesn't work so well.

TenoringBehind · 20/08/2022 13:12

You need to be proactive with this and say you’d like to meet somewhere else for a weekend, just the two of you, and actually suggest a time and place. Say it would be nice to spend time together without the distractions of home and you need a break.

I think if you say anything that even hints at you not wanting her children to stay at yours then you risk causing offence and losing the friendship altogether.

LAMPS1 · 20/08/2022 13:29

Just don’t mention the suggested repeat visit…don’t refer to it at all. let her think you have forgotten about it.
Maybe she has gone away and had second thoughts ….surely she realises that it’s a massive expectation on you to host her troubled young foster daughter in a dangerous environment like a working farm.
If your friend does bring it up say it’s too far in advance for you to plan for now as the schedule of farm projects must take priority so you can’t commit to anything right now. And let her know how very busy you are. Hopefully she will get the hint.
But if she does again mention bringing her foster daughter, you will have to say that you are sorry but it’s just not possible to take the time off from the full schedule of farm responsibilities to host or even to plan a holiday for the time being and you hope she understands. Tell her you will let her know if you can manage to schedule a weekend off as that would be a fantastic break for you if she could come too for a break for herself.
Just don’t take her up on the foster daughter visit …don’t commit to any more visits to you. Resolve to see her next time on your terms OP.

neverbeenskiing · 20/08/2022 13:46

I don't want to supervise children visiting my home because its a working farm, its far too stressful.

There you go then, that's a perfectly valid reason that does not need to be focused on her Foster child's individual difficulties.

^Dear Friend,

I would love to see you, but we've made the decision not to have any children staying with us for the foreseeable future. This is partly because it unsettles the animals but my biggest issue is that we are a working farm and that comes with a lot of risks in terms of the animals, machinery and the chemicals we use. Even when kids are supervised, you can't eliminate the risk and I would never forgive myself if anything happened. I hope you understand. Maybe we could arrange a weekend away, just us? It would be great to catch up.^

The only thing is, if you take this approach you can't them be inviting the children of any mutual friends or acquaintances or it will be very obvious that it's personal.

Ihadenough22 · 20/08/2022 13:47

I understand why you don't want your friend and her foster child coming to stay with you. You know the child has some problems due to what happened them in the past. You have a farm with animals and your worried the child will brake things or hurt one of your animals. Then your worried in case your animals hurt them after they are hit ect.

The friend with the foster child came with her friend one time as well. You have another friends who came with their whole family and stayed with you for 8 days.

I think at this stage you had enough of friends seeing you as a cheap holiday or as a place to entertain their children.

I would say to your friend with the foster child that it would be nice for her to have a child free break with you for 2 or 3 nights. Tell her that you have some new animals and that even with your experience they are hard to manage and would not be safe with children.
You giving a chance for your friend to have a break but your no longer willing to be worried about their foster child. She may accept what your saying otherwise she won't be staying with you in the future. You don't want her child doing damage or getting hurt when they annoy one of your animals. As well as that you don't want her coming with other people thinking that your a cheap holiday either.

I would also say to friends that want to stay with you in the future that you get back to them about this. Let them stay for a max of 3 nights and tell them when you call them back they can stay 3 nights because your getting work done on the farm the day after they leave.

I think doing the above should help you going forward and if your friends don't want to stay after telling them it's their loss and not yours. Your not been mean or nasty but your putting in boundaries and it for everyone good.

SaintHelena · 20/08/2022 13:52

I would think you could just explain that you find having small children ( or people unused to it) on a working farm too stressful. Huge tractors, huge cows etc

Hankunamatata · 20/08/2022 13:53

I'd say your a working farm and it's too dangerous to have kids running about as there have been accidents on other farms. You would love to have a catch up with just her if she would like to visit

WallaceinAnderland · 20/08/2022 14:05

Just say the farm is not appropriate for children and you don't have the necessary risk assessed insurance.

Cigarettesaftersex1 · 20/08/2022 14:08

Would any of these people come and visit you if you didn't live on a farm in a popular holiday destination? I'm going to be moving next year to another country, the amount of people who have invited themselves to visit is mad. I offered to put them up a night or 2 but they seem to expect a fortnight minimum, one couple wanted a month. Nah mate, not happening

category12 · 20/08/2022 14:09

Don't people realise farmers have children themselves and visitors with children all the time?! 🙄

That's really not going to fly as an excuse.

balalake · 20/08/2022 14:12

Meeting somewhere else may be the best option. Even though I understand that on a farm you would never want any animal or child to come to some harm.

TheYearOfSmallThings · 20/08/2022 14:13

YANBU to say "I don't think that's a good idea with the animals - it wouldn't be fair to anyone." But YABU to expect that she could ditch her family to hang out with you (much as she would probably enjoy that!).

Also 8 days is too long, the old proverb about fish is a good one.

TheFlyingFox · 20/08/2022 14:14

I think friend thinks it might be ok because its a small farm and not our main source of income, and she sees working farms as being very large enterprises. However our place is still a working farm with large, unpredictable animals and machinery. As for anyone who thinks I'm being OTT suggesting that a child could deliberately provoke animals - no, it does indeed happen. They can pull their tails or poke them and sometimes animals will lash out in self defence. I just can't cope with someone else's young child with behavioural issues on my farm and around my animals. I suspect friend doesn't realise this and thinks its fine. Some good suggestions here, thanks.

Friend does also host us but we usually only stay 2 or 3 nights because tbh I prefer my own space, but at any rate I've enjoyed all the previous visits as they are all very courteous, well behaved guests and great company but really would rather just host friend or friend plus her and her OH or plus friend who was also great company. Just not other peoples' kids!

OP posts:
Janedoe82 · 20/08/2022 14:14

All sounds like crap excuses and total ignorance of children coming through the care system. You sound horrible.
An empathetic and good friend would have their friend and foster child together for a couple of days. I don’t see that the issue is other than you can’t be arsed.

TheYearOfSmallThings · 20/08/2022 14:16

Don't people realise farmers have children themselves and visitors with children all the time?! 🙄

Kids who grow up on farms learn to conduct themselves on farms. And there are still a lot of accidents. Nobody should be pressured to bring an unpredictable child among livestock and farm machinery.

TheFlyingFox · 20/08/2022 14:16

TheYearOfSmallThings · 20/08/2022 14:13

YANBU to say "I don't think that's a good idea with the animals - it wouldn't be fair to anyone." But YABU to expect that she could ditch her family to hang out with you (much as she would probably enjoy that!).

Also 8 days is too long, the old proverb about fish is a good one.

The foster child has only been with friend and her family for just over a year and has stays with her parent so this was kind of sprung on me as I'm not even sure how permanent an arrangement it is. I'm sure friend is still feeling her way on it too and this may explain it as well.

OP posts:
WhereYouLeftIt · 20/08/2022 14:17

Sorry, but your childhood friend sounds like a user. And given that you think the friendship would change if you refuse to be used as she wishes (by not hosting foster daughter) I think you already know deep down she's a user. You're hoping to see your childhood friend but that's not who she is any more. You might try to joke about it by saying "she's turned into bloomin' Mother Theresa" - but the reality is that she's turned into a bloomin' user. :(

TheFlyingFox · 20/08/2022 14:19

Janedoe82 · 20/08/2022 14:14

All sounds like crap excuses and total ignorance of children coming through the care system. You sound horrible.
An empathetic and good friend would have their friend and foster child together for a couple of days. I don’t see that the issue is other than you can’t be arsed.

Excuse me?

Do you even know what a farm is? Clue: its not a playpark.

Like many people, I'm not suited to caring for foster children and certainly not for ensuring the safety of other people's children! What I am good at is ensuring my farm is as safe as possible and controlling those who access it.

OP posts:
Swipe left for the next trending thread