Jack Monroe again

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Has anyone seen the recent tweet about her pawning/selling three diamond engagement rings? Aibu to think if you are pleading poverty and asking the general public to donate money one week and then showing off pictures of three massive diamonds you own the next, it's never going to go down well? Especially when you are already being challenged on lying and grifting?

For a long time I thought JM was nothing but a force of a good but I can't understand how she can be so tone deaf. It can't be deliberate but equally how can she not realise how it looks to produce three huge rings just a week after claiming she's so skint she needs handouts.

Apologies if there's already a thread on this.

No-one is celebrating Caroline Flack. They are pointing out that when a vulnerable person gets ripped to shreds on the Internet, the public shaming can have serious consequences, including driving some people to suicide.

They may also be questioning the psychology of who gets chosen to go under the microscope of public scrutiny. And wondering if the people doing the criticism are doing it for the greater good or just because it makes them feel better about themselves to rip someone's lives apart.

I think Jon Ronson has explored some of this stuff. It's a very interesting modern phenomena.

It is clear Jack made excellent use of the contacts (and cookery knowledge) gained during the engagement to Allegra and built a media career around it along with a boost to book sales. The lifestyle was bound to be attractive.
Those connections have all but gone now but the entitlement to that lifestyle, wealth and fame remains. Like many z-list celebs it’s about staying in the public eye - hence the ease of being booked as a regular ‘source’ whenever breakfast telly needs a palatable face of poverty - but others at least try to carve a living without seeking donations from the public.

only £10, which I can easily afford. The weird thing is, I NEVER give to individuals unless it's either through a registered/official source like Just Giving and it's clear where the money is going. So I'm.really not sure why I did it.

I think she's very good at pulling on emotions. I haven't been following her for very long on Twitter although obviously I was aware of her for years. I saw a couple of Tweets about her situation, where she seemed to be in real trouble, both financially and with her MH. I'd fallen for her stories about all the work she's done with foodbanks etc. There was one particular Tweet where, although not saying it directly, she was asking for money and I gave it. Then a few days later I saw her Tweet about the diamond rings and the penny started to drop.....

I'm not usually gullible. I've never offered or given money on any of the begging threads on MN!

@EmmaGrundyForPM She is very good at pulling in the heartstrings.

Then stick a bit of cheese on them, or curry powder, or ass them to a soup - I know it's boring (I've been there) but you can't afford to waste calories or nutrition.

*add, not ass

I do apologise 😳

@EmmaGrundyForPM I'm sorry she scammed you out of your hard earned money but I'm glad you have seen the light

I wonder if AM released on Sunday rather than Saturday on purpose. 🙈 Don't want to have someone insinuating taht AM is antisemitoc, posting on Saturdays, innit.

Sorry to hear that @EmmaGrundyForPM

Ugh the typos!

I think she is chaotic and perhaps vulnerable but that doesn’t stop her being manipulative and downright rude and nasty, which she is, often.

Hold on a minute. At no point have I been personal. You have no idea of my life experiences so don’t call me patronising.

All I said was I don’t understand why you’d wash away all the sauce when sugar or not, it contains 1 of your five a day. It’s actually the 41% tomato content which does that not the 42% pasta content.

People have also made unfounded claims such as that she is worth 3 million pounds

'People'. One person said this, most others disagreed and yet you keep bringing it up as some sort of defence that everything else must be rubbish because there's nothing to back up the £3mill claim.

What do you think of Awfully Molly's article where all Jack's own screenshots are laid out side by side out of interest?

My initial criticism was of people quoting Tattle as a reliable source.

When I read the Tattle threads, which are a no holds barred total demolishment of every aspect of Monroe's life, I used the word evil. The sense of a group of school bullies enjoying ripping apart every aspect of someone's personality and life choices was just so unpleasant and viscious.

That's somewhat different to Awfully Molly, who does seem to have done a forensic job of finding inconsistencies in Jack's online presence. It's changed my view of Jack Monroe, and I wouldn't give money to her.

But I'm allowed to find some of the criticism, and some of the critics, distasteful.

And I continue to think she has performed a useful role in highlighting poverty at a time when many people are happy to ignore it, and continue to vote for a government that is quite happy to see the gap between rich and poor widen.

I very much value mumsnet as a place for robust debate with intelligent women who may hold different views to mine, and that's pretty much what I see happening here.

She was never found guilty because she committed suicide.

thefact she hit her boyfriend over the head with a candle stick isn’t hear say. If it was a set of he said she said I would agree with the view that not proven guilty. However your approach is basically the same attitude that lets men get away with abusing their partner but because there were never found guilty in a court of law it never happened.

being found innocent or guilty doesn’t mean the actions that let the trial didn’t happen it’s about culpability within the law.

I think that's why "Awfully Molly" has been so effective. All she/he/they have done is used Jack Monroe's own tweets.

Isn't the phrase hoisted by your own petard?

And I continue to think she has performed a useful role in highlighting poverty at a time when many people are happy to ignore it, and continue to vote for a government that is quite happy to see the gap between rich and poor widen

I vehemently disagree. In fact, I think she's done the opposite. She's cosplayed 'poverty' as a useful tool to gain an income and her message appears to be that once you're poor, there's no way out (even though in her case, it's a lie as she isn't poor now and was never poor in the first place). In fact, I think she's actually done some damage as you can see from just her standing order tweets, which were at best useless information, and at worst, could get anyone following her advice into deeper trouble (and that's just the start).

She's taken up space on the news and in various forms of media when those appearances could have been given over to someone genuine and who knew what they were talking about (and I also blame the media outlets who've enabled her and haven't done due diligence for this). She's done absolutely zero for real people in real poverty. And with regards to the government, Jack spoke out against Corbyn and also abstained from voting during Brexit.

She should be absolutely ashamed of herself.

This.

Every word of this.

She is someone who has been in the public eye for 10 years, had books out, collabs, tv appearances etc who is saying she is too poor to buy shampoo. But is incapable of getting a job and needs handouts to survive, is that how poor people want to be represented.

Still no proof she has done anything useful. How many people have not been given a platform because she has, people doing actual stuff to make changes.

And yet if you'd bothered to look at the wiki on the Jack Monroe threads on Tattle, you'd have found all of the receipts that many, many people have referred to. They go way way over and above what Molly has put on her blog, and to be honest, are totally shocking. And just like the Molly blog, they are all Jack's own tweets.

However, as soon as Tattle is mentioned, people just go off on one about how evil it is.

Are you legally trained?

Are you Jack?

See, the point about innocent verdict is interesting. Scotland has "not proven" alongside guilty/not guilty. I quite like that because it can be VERY difficult to prove beyond reasonable doubt, but sometimes you are just about there, but not 100%, but far enough to see something did happen.

Frankly, we all know suicide threats are used as weapon of control and punishment and so can be, and sometimes is, a suicide.

However, that is not the point of this thread. Shouting #bekind about abusers and scammers is NOT ok.

I’d ignore all talk of CF. She is not relevant to this thread and I suspect it’s the poster,s attempt at trying to get this thread removed.

I agree. This is nothing to do with Caroline Flack.

I knew little about JM before the Twitter storm she started against Jamie Oliver because he got a C4 gig and she didn't, with talk about "her niche" as if she owned the rights to budget cooking, which she doesn't. She ignored the fact that he was vastly more known and "TV capable" than she was and I began to feel that she was behaving in a very unreasonable and entitled way. Much since has added to that.

It is a great pity because food poverty is sadly a very real thing (and likely to get worse) but she is not a good advocate for people who are genuinely struggling.

I knew little about JM before the Twitter storm she started against Jamie Oliver because he got a C4 gig and she didn't, with talk about "her niche" as if she owned the rights to budget cooking

Same. I was astonished at her words. It was absolutely about HER and her entitlement to HER 'niche.'

If JM was authentic and genuinely cared about people in poverty, she should have been pleased that other people were shining a light on it, not lashing out and being bitter about it.

I can't help feeling that her family must really, really love her to have stayed silent while being demonised by default all these years.