Jack Monroe again

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Has anyone seen the recent tweet about her pawning/selling three diamond engagement rings? Aibu to think if you are pleading poverty and asking the general public to donate money one week and then showing off pictures of three massive diamonds you own the next, it's never going to go down well? Especially when you are already being challenged on lying and grifting?

For a long time I thought JM was nothing but a force of a good but I can't understand how she can be so tone deaf. It can't be deliberate but equally how can she not realise how it looks to produce three huge rings just a week after claiming she's so skint she needs handouts.

Apologies if there's already a thread on this.

Thank you. I hadn't seen this.

I tried to check he was actually her grandfather and it took me back to another blooming tattle thread where someone made the point he had 4 children, so her grandad being a landlord and millionaire doesn't necessarily say anything about her own financial status, as she certainly won't have inherited millions.

So can we have the proof of her being worth 3 million now?

If you look for his obituary it would list his family (and her original name probably). But she won’t have been the actual beneficiary, her dad would have been one of them.
so no, she’s not worth £3million.

She has also tried to make out her family was poor and she grew up in poverty too. That’s the issue with his grandads estate.

It says in those public records just how much went to her dad. Jack herself says her family are very supportive. Have to wonder why they did not help her when she was apparently in "poverty" the first time.
I neither care here or there her net worth and or if she is poor or not however, there is no transparency around the "donations" for charity that she takes into her own personal Paula account. When asked about them, she bites at people, she was never open about all that money from teemill, she had to be pushed for it. Then would not say where all the
other remaining money went after l the trussell trust. She said that it went to small charities that want to remain anonymous.

What are the odds that multiple charities wants to remain anonymous? let alone even just one! Surely the more people know about them the better? Jack has super fans who would support them knowing Jack does. Where are the receipts for all those donations? Nothing adds up. I really hope one day soon this is all officially looked into.

*paypal account! Not Paula?!

Bloody Paula and her secrets😁

I like that autofill

Just also to add, Twitter user Awfully Molly has written a short piece that has really started asking some awkward questions. twitter.com/awfullymolly/status/1560000457073983489?s=21&t=zU25XYbpA_4rDv2jejCXCg

I tried to check he was actually her grandfather and it took me back to another blooming tattle thread where someone made the point he had 4 children, so her grandad being a landlord and millionaire doesn't necessarily say anything about her own financial status, as she certainly won't have inherited millions

Nobody said that she did inherit millions.

As someone upthread said, she may be worth £3mill on one those net worth lists, but it's unlikely she has it in assets (unless you count numerous Cotswold sideboards, Tiffany jewellery and a bathroom Emin towards it) but she's not on the poverty line either. She didn't have an impoverished childhood as she's claimed (Dad is also a landlord and an MBE and was high up in the fire service as well as being a foster carer. Does he sound like someone who would let his daughter and grandson starve, especially seeing as they are still on good terms?).

With regards to Jack's finances, what's being discussed is how Jack can write an essay claiming she can't afford soap or to turn the lights on, when she has a Patreon of 800+ subscribers, has hoarded several diamond rings from ex fiancées, and presumably also has an income from her numerous books, tv appearances and various other things including festivals, newspaper articles and the like, as well as a tip jar on Twitter and several PayPal begs to her personal account.

so her grandad being a landlord and millionaire doesn't necessarily say anything about her own financial status, as she certainly won't have inherited millions.

Her dad has a large property portfolio and owns other businesses. He is certainly worth a lot.

Assuming she makes only 10% of book sales and has only sold 150k is books (her first sold 60k alone), say her patreon only made 36k a year for 5 years and her other donation channels only amount to double that, let's say a (very unlikely to be so low) 100k on articles and endorsements, she got about 70k from the legal action, ignore the TV work, ignore the shop, ignore the website and YouTube channel.....

...a very conservative estimate of her last decade's income would be IRO £860,000.

I don't think it's anywhere near that low but nor do I care, well done her.

The bit that bothers me is the fibbing to increase the donation income and putting tinned peaches in a curry.

Ah, ok. That Tweet says that to buy a book (or two), you paid to JM's PayPal. Each book would have netted her £5-£6.

FWIW, I also don't care how much she's earned over the years, nor do I think only 'poor people' can talk about or campaign for raising others out of poverty.

What bothers me is that Jack can't admit she's done well for herself and is still selling herself as the face of modern poverty which is lapped up by middle class Twitter users as the face of 'acceptable' poverty. She's lying about her finances and she's pretending to still be poor to garner sympathy and money from people less well off than herself. She asked for donations to her PayPal for a lawsuit against Lee Anderson that never emerged and for a so called 'campaigner' she hasn't achieved one tangible thing that helps anyone other than herself (although she's managed to piggyback on a few others, including Marcus Rashford's campaign, the changes to the ONS and Asda's smart price relaunch).

Remember she can’t afford shampoo but she can afford to go to Toni and Guy for a haircut. Makes total sense.

Ah, ok. That Tweet says that to buy a book (or two), you paid to JM's PayPal. Each book would have netted her £5-£6.

I should rephrase... 'could have been making... ' Authors can buy copies of their own books at trade.

She's helped out at my local food bank.

Doing what? And for how long?

You can get the probate summary and the will of Jack Monroe's grandfather online at probatesearch.service.gov.uk/. You only need to input the surname and the year of death. It costs £1.50 for the record.
I have seen both documents - the estate, after probate was valued at 1.8 million pounds.

Yes I’d be very interested to hear about the food bank Jack helped out with too. So secretive about that and yet so performative when it came to posting a pic of her foodbank donation, complete with post it notes on the cans with her name on!!!!! Who does that?!?! 😂

Is she deliberately making herself ‘poor’? Why is someone who needs donations then donating that money to charity? This is so stupid.

I don't think she is "making herself poor". I belief that she was once hard up for a short period and this is her USP. Jack, the single mum, struggling on the breadline, writing cheap recipes and campaigning for things to change.

And things did change for her - she got out of her dire straits and is now doing OK. Nobody is accusing her of making millions, but she is not in that poverty stricken state any more.

But she has built her "brand" as being a person in extreme poverty who has to do weird stuff like take out the lightbulbs and boil up soap. She has told this extreme poverty narrative for so long that she now can't dial back on that and let people know that she is doing OK because it undermines her brand. But she's not bright enough or consistent enough to keep up the pretence effectively hence the huge number of contradictions which have been pointed out.

She's been well and truly exposed and I really can't see a decent way out for her - she has two choices. One, carry on with the image of being very very poor and hope people don't look at the evidence to the contrary. Or, admit the true picture and lose a lot of face and reputation. Neither are particularly attractive from her point of view.

I think she could successfully pull it back by posting a bit more moderately about her situation, making efforts to be seen to be transparent and signposting people to give directly to charities, alongside rattling her tipjar.

But she seems to be somewhat of a rollercoaster emotionally so not sure she's capable of that. Probably needs a time delay set up on every post and someone else to look it over.

She seems like someone who wants to be noticed - at almost any cost. The poor aspect is just the thing that worked so she ran with it but can’t move it on as others have done. I wonder what the family dynamics are. Surely her mum and dad see what she’s posting? How odd must it be to sit at a table with someone saying they can’t afford shower gel when they have an actual Emin as someone said upthread?

She's been well and truly exposed and I really can't see a decent way out for her

She hasn't. She doesn't care how many people think she's a grifter, what matters to her business model is how many people who might fall for it engage with her brand.

It's the same reason that letters from Nigerian princes are deliberately badly spelled and laughably implausible: the scammers only want to target the vulnerable, the 99.9% who aren't gullible enough get weeded out.

The controversy over the latest begging then posting picks of diamonds draws attention and engages her core supporters in online debates with 'haters'. It may put off some who thought she was genuine but they were never gullible enough to be giving her money, so it doesn't matter.

It's the same business model followed by Katie Hopkins, Owen Jones, that infowars guy and many others.

She seems like someone who wants to be noticed - at almost any cost.

Yes because being noticed gets her more money than I get from genuinely working 50+ hour weeks.

Have to agree. After the Awfully Molly thread and Jack's ridiculous rinsed hoops recipe gained traction on Twitter, she actually gained Patreon followers, despite reports of other subscribers not receiving anything for their money. There's no hope for some people.

I wonder how many of those are just playing the long game there for a take down though? There might be enough motivated peoplE for a group court action that may expose the financials.

I guess her followers want to show support, and the deeper you go in, the harder it is to pull back and go "you know what, I've been rinsed, like a spaghetti hoop" 😀