Man stalking woman, excused by saying he must be autistic..

[AutismIsStigmatised]

I came across this video on TikTok today, I'll post the link below but in summary an unknown man posed as an amazon delivery person to get access to a block of flats this woman lives in. He was behaving strangely and wanted to give her a 'gift' which was some sort of cup / candle holder. She confronted him and he left, then came back up again, left again then came back up a third time with his hood up as though he was about to do something sinister. Very bloody creepy.

vm.tiktok.com/ZMNsQfG2W/

The comments are littered with people saying that he's 'clearly autistic'

Take a look and tell me what you think but as the parent of an autistic boy (and wife of an autistic adult) it really upsets me when people assume scary/criminal behaviour is due to autism. I know many people with autism and not one has ever behaved like that..

The facts disagree with you www.carersuk.org/news-and-campaigns/press-releases/facts-and-figures

If someone tried to strangle me and I found out they were severely disabled and distressed and didn't understand what they were doing, I would actually care what happened to them. Thankfully, amazing people choose to look after and advocate for people like this.

Nope, the fact is, the majority of carers for high needs individuals I've personally encountered have been male.

The fact is that you totally merailed a thread about woman being stalked.

Have a star

Nah i can say that I thought legally you had to understand your rights but I still doubt you'll find many examples of severely, non verbal autistic individuals being arrested, at least in the UK.

I'm starting to think we need to teach schoolboys to leave girls alone.

I started a thread in FWR about this (sort of) but no replies.

@HailAdrian

If someone tried to strangle me and I found out they were severely disabled and distressed and didn't understand what they were doing, I would actually care what happened to them. Thankfully, amazing people choose to look after and advocate for people like this.

I would care deeply about what happened to them to. I would want them to have appropriate support and treatment.

Why do you think that the fact people think it's appropriate to arrest anyone who strangled them, in order to then pursue either criminal charges or psychiatric support dependent on their needs, means that they don't care about what happens to the person who strangled them?

You seem to think nobody else has empathy but you're not making a semblance of effort to actually read what people are saying properly and without assuming the worst of them.

Thank you, I was merely responding to further posts, as you do on online forums. What actually happened was a 'pile on,' very common on mumsnet, and words attributed to me that I had never said. Also very common on mumsnet.

I understand it would be hugely distressing. I’m just explaining the process, and it is that yes, an autistic person can be arrested if they’ve committed a criminal act. They would be handled differently from this point, and would be assessed by a doctor/doctors. If found to lack capacity then, depending on the severity of the act, they can be detained under the mental health act be be placed in a secure psychiatric hospital.

this is the current legislation:
www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/1983/20/contents

although there is a new mental health bill proposed that may include changes in regards to autism.

I think that's one of the basics they shoul learn from family tbh

@HailAdrian

Nah i can say that I thought legally you had to understand your rights but I still doubt you'll find many examples of severely, non verbal autistic individuals being arrested, at least in the UK.

I understand that you thought that was the case legally.

You were wrong.

And it's very unusual to not just say yes, I was wrong about that.

Come on now, it's very evident that at least some people on this thread think that disabled people are basically subhuman.

@HailAdrian

Come on now, it's very evident that at least some people on this thread think that disabled people are basically subhuman.

Who? In what posts?

@HailAdrian

And you didn't answer the following, which you have no obligation to, but I've answered your questions in good faith so thought you might do the same.

Why do you think that the fact people think it's appropriate to arrest anyone who strangled them, in order to then pursue either criminal charges or psychiatric support dependent on their needs, means that they don't care about what happens to the person who strangled them?

She’s made updates. She doesn’t mention the police but does mention a drug dealing ex she worries is part of this. So it’s likely that she’s not gone to the police.

The bloke also came back asking her to take her top off 2 hours ago.

The cup he brought as a present is hers already, she left on the communal balcony. So he’s been watching her obviously!

She said he knocked on her door and she checked the peephole as it was strange he hadn’t buzzed up, and that’s how it started as he claimed to be from Amazon.

Shes 19.

I think SOME people do.

Poor woman.

The one who suggested that autistic people who are violent during meltdowns can't ever be allowed out, for one.

You’re still not getting it.

We are thinking about the victim here. If they DO assault someone, the fact they shouldn’t have been away from their carer doesn’t matter a jot

Sorry, which part of what I said in that post do you disagree with?

Nobody has said that. I think you almost wish somebody had, because being able to rail at people for that gives you an outlet for all the times you feel your disabled child is treated as ‘less-than.’ I get that - I’ve done it myself before. But in this case nobody has suggested disabled people are ‘sub-human.’ Just that they can’t be allowed to harass and assault women, and if they do so (whether or not they have full capacity of understanding of what they’re doing) appropriate measures must be taken to keep women safe and comfortable.

They would be dealt with differently when in custody but no one is making allowances for your child if they assaulted someone, at the arrest stage.

Im not ‘desperate’ for your child to be arrested - what a weird, catastrophising statement to make. I’m just shocked that you genuinely think they are immune from arrest.

Tell them what? That their children won’t be immune from arrest when they’re older? Well o, that would be weird - I’ve said it to you because you’re denying they’d ever be arrested for anything.

I’ll ask again - why was the man arrested at The Tate?

Poor woman. She’s needs to get off TikTok and ring the police

I wouldn’t give a shit personally. But I guess I’m not an ‘amazing person’.

Addiction is also an illness that leads people to behave criminally with very little understanding of how their actions are affecting their victim. Doesn’t mean I will think ‘oh poor them’ as I nurse my broken bone or recover from a strangling