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To say this to people who complain about vaping?

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GeriSignfeld · 13/08/2022 10:50

You do realise that if we weren't vaping, we'd be smoking cigarettes, right?

In light of this, why should vapes be banned?

#teamvape

OP posts:
Proudboomer · 14/08/2022 08:07

Dishh · 14/08/2022 06:43

@thefizz

Vapers gonna vape. It won't be banned anytime soon, it is too good a NRT. It is far safer than cigarettes for the user. I am neither a smoker nor a vaper but I am glad to see that science and innovation have brought a great product to the market that will save the lives of many people who manage to stop smoking. Very few people stop smoking with nicotine patches and the like, it is the hand to mouth habit that is replaced with vapes and it works.

Vapes do contain nicotine in them, though.

You don’t have to use a juice with nicotine in it. I sometimes use a juice that is pure aloe Vera.

Sunnyqueen · 14/08/2022 08:14

As a vaper, that is a crap come back. Anyway all these mumsnetters who bitch and whinge on here about vaping and smoking are the same type who wouldn't dream of saying anything out loud in real life directly to a smoke/vaper, so let them stew away in their own little heads whilst we enjoy coating our lungs in delicious watermelon sugar steam.

Sunnyqueen · 14/08/2022 08:16

Dishh · 14/08/2022 06:43

@thefizz

Vapers gonna vape. It won't be banned anytime soon, it is too good a NRT. It is far safer than cigarettes for the user. I am neither a smoker nor a vaper but I am glad to see that science and innovation have brought a great product to the market that will save the lives of many people who manage to stop smoking. Very few people stop smoking with nicotine patches and the like, it is the hand to mouth habit that is replaced with vapes and it works.

Vapes do contain nicotine in them, though.

That's could not be more wrong loads and loads of vaping products readily available in shops and online with no nicotine in them.

tiger2691 · 14/08/2022 08:17

Sunnyqueen · 14/08/2022 08:14

As a vaper, that is a crap come back. Anyway all these mumsnetters who bitch and whinge on here about vaping and smoking are the same type who wouldn't dream of saying anything out loud in real life directly to a smoke/vaper, so let them stew away in their own little heads whilst we enjoy coating our lungs in delicious watermelon sugar steam.

Watermelon is the work of the devil, you need my vanilla custard recipe!

neverbeenskiing · 14/08/2022 08:20

I couldn't care less if people vape or smoke, it's their body and their choice. What pisses me off is that many people who vape seem to think that because it's apparently less harmful it's completely fine to blow their bubble-gum flavoured steam in other people's faces.

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 14/08/2022 08:52

Is all the diacetyl in vape liquids absorbed by the lungs of the user, or is some of it exhaled in the vapour, for other people to breath in?

In the UK you won't change me across it as it is banned.

And again, popcorn lung is an urban myth built on top of an extremely isolated and odd occurrence many years ago.

If vaping is going to be proven harmful it will be done via proper research, not seem hysterical lies and supposition.

If vaping turns out to be relatively safe then we are all going to have to put up with the smell, alongside every other stink human beings apply to themselves and their surroundings.

PinkButtercups · 14/08/2022 08:57

I actually did vape. I smoked before.
Same as DP. Never vaped in the house or out at restaurants outside etc.

I actually cannot stand walking behind or sitting near someone vaping or smoking. Twice in the last week I've seen people vaping in the splash park and the kids playground. Why? Just wait if you're that desperate.

I found out my 15 year old DN also vapes. Never smoked a cigarette but can quite easily get hold of a disposable vape 😡.

Cyclebabble · 14/08/2022 08:59

IME capers seem to assume they can do so anywhere. I regularly see people in some pubs puffing away. It is unpleasant and I do not want to smell it indoors.

milkyaqua · 14/08/2022 09:01

houseonthehill · 14/08/2022 02:04

It's a bit weird reading all these posts claiming that the risks of vaping are like rilly rilly high. It's like stumbling across a nest of anti-vaxxers.

ww2.health.wa.gov.au/Articles/F_I/Health-effects-of-vaping

www.cdc.gov/tobacco/basic_information/e-cigarettes/severe-lung-disease.html

www.who.int/news-room/questions-and-answers/item/tobacco-e-cigarettes

35965a · 14/08/2022 09:02

As long as someone doesn’t do it right next to me I don’t care. I was annoyed when a dad was vaping in the school playground, it stunk…it was a good conversation opener with my dc though as to why smoking and vaping are not good (I know vaping isn’t as awful for you but obv for the dc I made it sound as bad for you as smoking cigs). People get so angry about it though. So what if someone vapes? If they’re doing it near you politely ask them not to. If it gets people off cigs that’s great. Kids are trying it, that’s awful but we all tried smoking in the late 90s/early 00s too.

35965a · 14/08/2022 09:02

Well not all of us but many of I’m sure tried a smoke at least once.

MrsLargeEmbodied · 14/08/2022 09:13

yes,
so many tried smoking - quite agree,
and these kids trying vaping, doesnt mean they will carry on

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 14/08/2022 09:14

milkyaqua · 14/08/2022 09:01

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Those studies and the conclusions drawn are the high end of NHS style 'report the worst possible outcomes and include no balance or statement that we currently don't know or have evidence that refutes the worst case statement'

They are not the result of valid, rigorous testing but are assumptions drawn from studies into many other behaviours and factors.

The numbers of people with lung damage for example. The vast majority used modified vape kits to smoke marijuana.

The CDC data sheet has that information in it, but few organisations that quote it include that part. Ask yourself why?

For some it will be loss of revenue - like supporters of tobacco companies

Others will be because they want to ban vaping, regardless of what effect that will have on users - modern day Mary Whitehouses

Yet others are collecting the data needed to properly assess the risks and are having their data bastardised,.used out of context or, in some cases, just ignored.

The continued ruckus over this is hyped up by so many factions it is really hard to find reliable information. Even I have difficulty and I have long worked in an NHS smoking cessation programme.

PleasantBirthday · 14/08/2022 09:28

It's not pleasant to be around someone vaping but that's ok, sometimes public life isn't suited to me perfectly in all respects.

However, I'd prefer if vaping wasn't being normalised and trivialised around children by adults. Restrain yourself at the school gates, FFS. Have some standards for yourself.

35965a · 14/08/2022 09:32

PleasantBirthday · 14/08/2022 09:28

It's not pleasant to be around someone vaping but that's ok, sometimes public life isn't suited to me perfectly in all respects.

However, I'd prefer if vaping wasn't being normalised and trivialised around children by adults. Restrain yourself at the school gates, FFS. Have some standards for yourself.

Yeah that’s the only time it irritates me, when people are doing it around other people’s children making it seem normal. Little ones like the sweet smell so I don’t want it anywhere near them.

Arbesque · 14/08/2022 09:33

OP how about smokers and vapers just show some consideration and don't do either around other people?

Rather than arrogantly informing us we have to choose between one or the other?

If you complained about your neighbour playing her Donna Summer music at top volume in the garden, and she told you that you should be pleased because otherwise she'd be playing her Sex Pistols music which would be even more annoying, would you think 'fair point' or 'tosser'?

Allergictoironing · 14/08/2022 09:41

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 14/08/2022 09:14

Those studies and the conclusions drawn are the high end of NHS style 'report the worst possible outcomes and include no balance or statement that we currently don't know or have evidence that refutes the worst case statement'

They are not the result of valid, rigorous testing but are assumptions drawn from studies into many other behaviours and factors.

The numbers of people with lung damage for example. The vast majority used modified vape kits to smoke marijuana.

The CDC data sheet has that information in it, but few organisations that quote it include that part. Ask yourself why?

For some it will be loss of revenue - like supporters of tobacco companies

Others will be because they want to ban vaping, regardless of what effect that will have on users - modern day Mary Whitehouses

Yet others are collecting the data needed to properly assess the risks and are having their data bastardised,.used out of context or, in some cases, just ignored.

The continued ruckus over this is hyped up by so many factions it is really hard to find reliable information. Even I have difficulty and I have long worked in an NHS smoking cessation programme.

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I'll add to this that the only one of those reports that isn't country specific to a non-UK country is the WHO one, which specifically says any issues can be mitigated by "Minimizing as far as possible potential health and/or risks to ENDS users, such as by regulating product characteristics"

Which is done in the UK. Have a couple of links to UK government reports on the subject.

www.gov.uk/government/publications/e-cigarettes-an-evidence-update

www.gov.uk/government/publications/e-cigarettes-and-heated-tobacco-products-evidence-review

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 14/08/2022 09:48

I also find it odd that nobody who has read the thread and posted about popcorn lung has come back to ask questions. And that, despite a few posts about it being based in urban mythology, posters still post about it.

It's like those who have decided that they will not tolerate someone else's behaviour will carry on with their own, untrammeled by fact.

milkyaqua · 14/08/2022 10:02

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 14/08/2022 09:48

I also find it odd that nobody who has read the thread and posted about popcorn lung has come back to ask questions. And that, despite a few posts about it being based in urban mythology, posters still post about it.

It's like those who have decided that they will not tolerate someone else's behaviour will carry on with their own, untrammeled by fact.

I think this thread demonstrates, more so, that those who wish to place their heads in the sand with regard to behaviours that can damage their health will do so regardless of what evidence from experts is presented to them.

www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/wellness-and-prevention/what-does-vaping-do-to-your-lungs

SDTGisAnEvilWolefGenius · 14/08/2022 10:07

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 14/08/2022 09:48

I also find it odd that nobody who has read the thread and posted about popcorn lung has come back to ask questions. And that, despite a few posts about it being based in urban mythology, posters still post about it.

It's like those who have decided that they will not tolerate someone else's behaviour will carry on with their own, untrammeled by fact.

Or, as in my case, they have read what was posted here, accepted it, and have no further questions. The most unpleasant option is not always the right one.

I googled before posting, and found an article from the American Lung Association, which looked professional and intelligent. I didn’t realise that the UK uses a different composition of vape liquid.

springisaroundthecorner · 14/08/2022 10:13

Lots of kids are vaping. Cigarettes are hidden in shops but these awful bapr shops have everything on display with all the right things to attract kids/teens i.e colourful vapes with patterns and sweet flavours

Boobsakimboo · 14/08/2022 10:15

The issue isn’t people using vapes to give up smoking, it’s the trend for teens to vape when they wouldn’t have taken up smoking.
Vapes are a trend right now, so not really being used for the purpose they were developed for…

NeverDropYourMooncup · 14/08/2022 10:34

Arbesque · 14/08/2022 09:33

OP how about smokers and vapers just show some consideration and don't do either around other people?

Rather than arrogantly informing us we have to choose between one or the other?

If you complained about your neighbour playing her Donna Summer music at top volume in the garden, and she told you that you should be pleased because otherwise she'd be playing her Sex Pistols music which would be even more annoying, would you think 'fair point' or 'tosser'?

I'd be thinking at least it's not Ed Sheeran.

JS87 · 14/08/2022 10:41

It’s almost irrelevant whether vaping is harmful or not (I can’t imagine inhaling any chemical cocktail isn’t). What matters is the vast numbers of teenagers becoming addicted to nicotine because of vaping. Addiction of any kind is not something we should be encouraging our children to do. Allowing cheap disposable vapes and all these flavours is doing just that. We need to get the message across to them that vaping isn’t harmless and addiction is not something you want.
I also have absolutely no trust in vape shops and online vape shops that they all only selling vapes with chemicals allowed in the U.K.

SamphirethePogoingStickerist · 14/08/2022 10:43

STDG That's the kind of thing I meant. I appreciate your commenting now.

Yet still, above your post is another quoting American sources. It is impossible to have this discussion without being clear that different countries have different vape juices and that much of the scariest data does not apply to the UK. Well, not to reputable sources. Which is another reason why vape juice hasn't been more highly regulated. Keeping the legal version cheap enough helps prevent a black market in Chinese stuff, which is even worse than US juices.

It's not, as another poster said, about having heads in the sand. It's about looking for proper information and informed risk: benefit analysis.

At the moment vaping in the UK is less harmful than smoking. Cheaper, less unpleasant too.

That kids take it up is just today's version of the same old issues with the Yoof if Today, much like alcopops were and the small cannister stuff (sorry, brain has gone blank) We all did stupid stuff. Today's kids have different stuff to do stupidly. We haven't found a way of stifling that youthful experimentation yet!