To say this to people who complain about vaping?

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You do realise that if we weren't vaping, we'd be smoking cigarettes, right?

In light of this, why should vapes be banned?

#teamvape

I have small vessel lung disease ( life long non smoker ) and I can assure you that other people vaping is dangerous to me as it makes my chest extremely tight and can precipitate an asthma attack if I can’t get away quickly enough .

Forgot to say that while it might be dangerous for someone addicted to booze or class A's to go cold turkey, just stopping smoking or vaping isn't risky. That said, I've known a number of functioning alcoholics and drug addicts who've just stopped without any obvious health issues.

This place is strange some days- no one giving up smoking expects special applause but considering how much some people like to moan about smokers wouldn't it be a nice idea to encourage them? Giving up an addiction is not like turning down a biscuit or a second glass of wine, it's a bit more involved than that

Same - vapers seem to think they can do it indoors or close to people

So many vapes obviously aimed at those who are underage.

Bright colours flavours that are rip offs of coke skittles fanta etc and ones that light up

I'm old now but apparently it's the cool thing to do in clubs and make tik tok videos.

I remember girls using gum and perfume to try to hide smoking from parents. No need with vapes

And a lot of the American sweet shops that sell vapes in similar flavours to the sweets also sell thc liquids under the counter.

If they aren't going to ban them they need to ban the garish packaging and sweet shop flavours you can't get flavoured cigarettes anymore.

We all know that smoking isn’t good. Yet kids still start, which shows their stupidity.

and they start vaping which again, shows stupidity. They think they look good when infact they look pathetic. no one knows whats in those vapes, thus is the generation who will not have vaccines, not eat processed food because of chemicals in them, yet are happy to vape.

same with drug users.

I could say smoking tobacco is completely harmless but then I’d be an arrogant prick too. 🤷🏻‍♀️

Maybe you could use Google or read Limesarebitter · Today 11:25 post? for starters?

Take control. Take responsibility

It's bad for your health
Bad influence on kids
Expenses
Unnecessary

And it stinks

This this and this

As far as I’m concerned vaping instead of smoking is just swaping one noxious smell for another. Smoking we know for a fact is bad for the smoker and all those around them, vaping were just not sure about yet. I’d like to see both banned.

Yes, and I can't be the only one here who has been through the struggle to give up smoking and succeeded. I know dozens of people who smoked before the government started putting prices up and not allowing advertising. One or two have used vapes as a way of giving up but most just cut down and then stopped because it was too expensive.

Ann Reardon recently released a video about vaping on YouTube. She's a neutral party and does detail some facts as well as being interesting. I don't understand how anyone can think that inhaling chemicals can be okay for you personally. I certainly don't want to inhale them second hand.

I don’t care if people vape or not, but doing it whilst believing it to be harmless is incredibly naive.

Haha OP don't be so thick

It's 95% safer than smoking though, so it's a pretty good option for people instead of smoking

Because they’re gross, stink and according to professionals, they’re actually just as bad for your body as smoking real cigarettes.

We are sure. It's been around over a decade now, and there have been loads of studies done on it
The last one was it is 95% safer than smoking, cancer research support it, it's supported as a nicotine replacement therapy and a good way of quitting
Banning it just means people will carry on smoking and die, and second hand smoke exposure

It's like people HATE smoking and now they don't like vaping either. If you support people quitting smoking with vaping, there will be less smokers around
I don't like the smell of angel or cheese and onion crisps or body odour but that's about as harmful as an e cig is

Except they're not

There have been hundreds of threads about this and some really good measure responses. You could check o it the GOV website, cancer research, and public health for the information about how much better vaping is, and how much safer for people using them and people around them

Or just keep parroting they're as bad as smoking, which makes smokers think "fuck it, I'll carry on smoking then if they're as bad"
And then people moan about them smoking...

Useful links, that I'll post because if one person reads this and gives up cigarettes and swaps to a vape, it's a win

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/amibeing_unreasonable/1865547-to-feel-positively-evangelical-about-electronic-cigarettes

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/use-of-e-cigarettes-in-public-places-and-workplaces/e-cigarettes-in-public-places-and-workplaces-a-5-point-guide-to-policy-making

https://amp.theguardian.com/society/2018/dec/28/vaping-is-95-safer-than-smoking-claims-public-health-england

“It would be tragic if thousands of smokers who could quit with the help of an e-cigarette are being put off due to false fears about safety,” said Prof John Newton, director of health improvement at PHE.
“We need to reassure smokers that switching to an e-cigarette would be much less harmful than smoking. This demonstration highlights the devastating harms caused by every cigarette and helps people see that vaping is likely to pose only a fraction of the risk.”

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/e-cigarettes-an-evidence-update

I have no idea what the long term effects of vaping are, and don’t have the time or inclination to properly investigate.

I have tried cigarettes as a teenager, but have never been a smoker. I have tried a friends vape but I don’t see the appeal.

I do understand why people replace smoking with vaping. I assume vaping has less impact on their physical health. It also smells far better too.

Smoking is disgusting. I grew up around smokers and would never, ever smoke. My mum had lung cancer twice and COPD - no doubt as a consequence of smoking for 30+ years.

So…if vaping is better for you than smoking it would be preferable than smoking for me.

However, the other option is to actually just quite - if my mum could do it, anyone could!

I tell myself I don't have strong feelings re smoking/vaping, but both trigger my asthma to the point where I could collapse.

Before posters suggest I shouldn't leave the house, I've had enough of that due to a disability I have. Given that my mobility is rapidly disappearing, I'm getting outside while I can .

Vapes seem to have a physically longer odour trail due to the 'cloud' that is exhaled.

In my town, children start vaping at year 7 and many move on to cigarettes once vaping outlives it's 'edgy' factor.

Earlier this week, I saw this newspaper article. As the medics stated, people have not been vaping long enough for us to know if there are associated health issues. Given how many things we now know to be dangerous, were originally peddled as a healthy option, it's up to you if you take that risk.

Not sat next to me in a social space, you wouldn't - you'd be told to go outside.

@dworky that's up to the social space
My local pub allows vaping so I wouldn't be going anywhere. I do check before I vape anywhere though, and I can vape with no exhaled vapour
If it's banned of course I wouldn't vape there

Lots of comments about how dangerous E-cigs can be, for reasons that aren't actually valid a) in the UK and b) if people use legal, unmodified equipment and liquids.

All e-cig liquid sold in the UK contains only 4 substances:
Nicotine (not actually required, you can buy 0 nicotine liquids)
Flavourings - reputable companies only use food standard flavourings, and you don't NEED to add this
VG (vegetable glycerine) - commonly used in many products such as soaps, toothpaste, beauty products, as a sweetener in foods
PG (Propylene Glycol) - commonly used in things like Medical products used orally, injected or as topical formulations, toothpaste (again), beauty products (again)

All these are things we use daily in many ways, and though yes they are heated up they aren't combusted so minimal chance of any toxins being created like they are in traditional cigs, car engines, some power stations, bonfires etc. There is nothing in an e-cig liquid that can't be bought in one form or another in most supermarkets.

The most common causes of batteries blowing up or melting used to be people using the wrong chargers - not all chargers are equal and e.g. an iPhone charger would charge at a much faster rate than the older e-cig batteries were designed for & could cope with. Batteries have been improved over the years, so now the most common cause is people using black market batteries that aren't compliant with UK safety standards.

Oh and the flavours and colours aren't particularly aimed at children, as they are just as likely to attract adults. I'll have a puff on my fruit or sweet flavoured e-cig rather than eating chocolate or sweets if I get a craving, and I love the different colours the batteries come in and accessorise my clothing.

I travelled in a car with a prolific vaper. I had to ask them to open the window. Afterwards my skin felt sticky, like it had a residue.