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itsgoodtobehome · 12/08/2022 16:19

Slightly tongue in cheek. My DM is a total narcissist which I'm mostly used to now, but every now and then she comes out with a new classic which makes even me wince.

So, next weekend, DM has invited me and DSis and our families for lunch to mark a family birthday. 9 of us in total, including kids. DM was telling me the other day what she was planning to serve for lunch. She mentioned a particular thing as a starter, which is quite an acquired taste. I know for a fact that my DDad and DH don't like it, and the 3 kids won't eat it. So basically 5 out of 9 guests don't like this dish. I told her this was a bit of a waste.
Her response: 'but I have planned this menu to look a certain way, and it won't look right if I don't make this dish'

So she is quite prepared to have most of her guests not eat something just so her menu 'looks good'. I give up. Has anyone else got batshit mothers who only think of themselves and nobody else?

OP posts:
KitBumbleB · 16/08/2022 19:02

Is anyone else's mum fairly popular in terms of having friends?
Does it bother you?

MrsR2018 · 16/08/2022 19:14

@KitBumbleB she appears to on the face of it but deep down I suspect she is very lonely. Friends usually don’t stick around for very long because they cotton on to her BS stories, start asking questions so she cuts them out.

tillytoodles1 · 16/08/2022 19:16

My mother treated me like a slave. When I got a job in a nightclub, getting home at 3am, she decided that she could get up at 7am to go to work, then i could mind my preschool brother and sister, do the housework, shopping and cooking. When she got home at 5.30, I got ready and went to work for eight hours. One day I fell asleep and the kids set fire to the rubbish bin, but of
course it was all my fault and my dad gave me a good hiding.
I told her I was sick of doing everything and she replied " you don't keep a dog and bark yourself". I walked out that day and never went home. I went to my boyfriend's flat and we got married two years later.

JohnPrescottsPyjamas · 16/08/2022 19:38

KitBumbleB · 16/08/2022 19:02

Is anyone else's mum fairly popular in terms of having friends?
Does it bother you?

My mother seemed to always have a small tight group of followers rather than friends who thought the sun shone out of her backside but whom she used to bitch and gossip about behind their backs. She always seemed very popular and certainly projected a totally different image outside of the house. People seemed to think she was very vivacious, witty and lighthearted but she definitely had a clever skill of manipulation by playing a vulnerable, sensitive role. However, these ‘friendships’ were never long term and would be slowly replaced by new recruits. I do wonder if people eventually got wise to her and drifted away.

At my uncle’s funeral - who despite being her brother, was a lovely man - I had several of her cronies approach me and tell me how she needed my support and how much care I should be giving “such a selfless, kind woman” and how they hoped I “appreciated what a wonderful mother” I had.
I was so close to letting rip with the truth but felt out of respect a funeral wasn’t the time or the place. Her friendships never bothered me as such because at least when she was turning on the charm for others, it meant her energies were being redirected elsewhere.

Luckily, my DH, DD and DS saw her in full narcissistic mode on numerous occasions so they weren’t ever taken in by her and I didn’t have to explain my tears of anger and frustration whenever we left after a visit.

Once incident I’ll never forget; when my DS was about four, he looked at her with a very serious face and asked, “Why do you always lie?” She looked stunned and then blustered that she didn’t know what he was talking about. He then said, “You’re always telling us things that aren’t true” I knew then that she had been attempting to continue the same behaviour with my kids and had been caught out by the straightforwardness of a child who hadn’t been messed up by her web of deceit and duplicity. I was so proud of him.

Damnthemansavetheempir · 16/08/2022 19:48

The day after my dad died, she told me I had no reason to be upset and I should think myself lucky that I still had her as she had lost both of her parents. I was 27 and she was 64!

Unforgettablefire · 16/08/2022 19:52

tillytoodles1 · 16/08/2022 19:16

My mother treated me like a slave. When I got a job in a nightclub, getting home at 3am, she decided that she could get up at 7am to go to work, then i could mind my preschool brother and sister, do the housework, shopping and cooking. When she got home at 5.30, I got ready and went to work for eight hours. One day I fell asleep and the kids set fire to the rubbish bin, but of
course it was all my fault and my dad gave me a good hiding.
I told her I was sick of doing everything and she replied " you don't keep a dog and bark yourself". I walked out that day and never went home. I went to my boyfriend's flat and we got married two years later.

You sound like a lovely person putting up with that for so long. I hope your hubby treats you the way you deserve and cherishes you 💐

impostersong · 16/08/2022 20:29

Womblingforfree · 12/08/2022 17:37

'I do love you, but I don't like you'

Said frequently over the years to me but only really recently realised this isn't actually OK.

My mum used to say this to me all of the time. Always made me really sad but presumed it was pretty normal parenting.

JohnPrescottsPyjamas · 16/08/2022 20:48

All your posts are so heartbreaking, your searing honesty and openness incredibly brave. I want to hug those children in you that were subjected to such abhorrent treatment and to shout fuck you, you lost, to all those perpetrators because we’re still here, we’re still standing and the fact we’re discussing it with others means we’re no longer prepared to carry the burden alone, experience shame or to feel like we are betraying a family secret.

I wish I was better with words, and that didn’t sound so corny, but it’s meant with sincerity. Xx

ReformedWaywardTeen · 16/08/2022 21:29

JohnPrescottsPyjamas · 16/08/2022 20:48

All your posts are so heartbreaking, your searing honesty and openness incredibly brave. I want to hug those children in you that were subjected to such abhorrent treatment and to shout fuck you, you lost, to all those perpetrators because we’re still here, we’re still standing and the fact we’re discussing it with others means we’re no longer prepared to carry the burden alone, experience shame or to feel like we are betraying a family secret.

I wish I was better with words, and that didn’t sound so corny, but it’s meant with sincerity. Xx

I don't think you sound corny at all.

Fernticket · 16/08/2022 23:03

ReformedWaywardTeen · 16/08/2022 21:29

I don't think you sound corny at all.

Definitely NOT corny.
I just wish I could find the words to say how sad and angry I feel on your behalf, having read of the awful ways you were all treated.
Massive hugs to each and every one of you.💐💐💐💐

FunkedUp · 16/08/2022 23:06

KitBumbleB · 16/08/2022 19:02

Is anyone else's mum fairly popular in terms of having friends?
Does it bother you?

My Mother has a few close friends, all women and one married couple, all in their 70's/80's but these friends are all very useful.
Giving her lifts into town/coffee mornings etc
She was quite ill a couple of years ago, and the married couple went above and beyond and were amazing until I took over at the hospital (I was away at the time) she said to me that she was a 'project' as they didn't do much on a daily basis and that it was a bit of excitement for them to be running around getting her things that she needed and sitting with her
She's now latched on to another woman who is very well off, this woman has so far given my Mother a brand new air fryer, an new iron, clothes and will be giving her an iPhone so of course my Mother is saying how wonderful she is etc etc. I saw the couple and they said that she never wants to go out with them now so I replied that no she won't as she's getting free stuff and that they've served their purpose and she's moved on to someone else that can serve her better

Oh the stories I could tell you wouldn't believe, she's appalling and a poor excuse for a human

I honestly hate my fucking Mother, I loathe her, she's 86 and she really doesn't need to be on this planet for very much longer to be honest. I'm so so glad that I've got such a great relationship with my adult Daughter

mamabear715 · 16/08/2022 23:07

Does anyone else NEVER ask for help & pride themselves on being able to cope with anything? I have walls a million feet thick..

clpsmum · 16/08/2022 23:24

mbosnz · 12/08/2022 17:06

The one that really sticks with me, is when we were having a heated discussion about her close family member having sexually abused me, and the sweet fuck all she did about it, was 'well, did you ever think about how hard it was for me?! How do you think it made me feel?!'

Omfg I actually have no words. Sending hugs your way

ReformedWaywardTeen · 16/08/2022 23:29

mamabear715 · 16/08/2022 23:07

Does anyone else NEVER ask for help & pride themselves on being able to cope with anything? I have walls a million feet thick..

Yes, when I left at 16, I was told I would be back with just the clothes on my back, begging her for help, and no doubt pregnant.

Never happened
I didn't have my first child until my mid twenties, with now DH and we'd been together for 6 years at that point.

Even if I was down to my last 1p I would rather sell a kidney than ask her for anything.

BelleChance · 16/08/2022 23:34

Not my mother but my father:

When I was crying and saying why don't you ever say you love me ‘you’re mad, your mentally ill’

When I found out my ex cheated on me ‘why did you let that happen?’

On my wedding day he couldn’t smile once.

When I had a difficult birth that led to infection of both me and my baby, plus my baby being born not breathing, the first thing he said was not ‘how are you? Are you ok? But he asked ‘can I tell my sister? Shed me very interested’ as if it were just a piece of idle gossip.

thedramaticrabbit · 16/08/2022 23:48

This is a bit outing but when I got married my dad (passive co dependent) dedicated his father of the bride speech to my mum (narcissist) and how wonderful she is and how they intend to renew their vows and didn’t say a word about me getting married or the wedding.

I won an award and invited my family in the audience. While I was collecting my award in the silence between me walking off stage and the next award announcement, my mum shouted “stop making it all about you. Nobody cares.”

when my first boyfriend dumped me at age 15 and i told my mum, she said, “how could you do this to me? Do you have any idea what people will say?”

mamabear715 · 16/08/2022 23:54

@ReformedWaywardTeen
I didn't mean just your mum - but I'm so glad you don't have to ask her for a damn thing & made a good life for yourself. I meant more like, being let down so much & growing a thick skin that no-one can get past.. I feel like ice maiden sometimes..

wellstopdoingitthen · 17/08/2022 07:30

Although she had three daughters, when our brother (the obvious favourite) got married she announced "I'm so excited-I always wanted a daughter in law!"

Interestingly, the sil looked and behaved in very similar ways to my mother.

J0y · 17/08/2022 07:38

@BelleChance yes reaction to something painful is mental illness. Exactly. I was raised to have no reaction to their hurtful behaviour.

TisRaining · 17/08/2022 09:49

OMG, so many of these, I've been writing things down as I read everyone's posts:

She always has to be better than me at everything - languages, fitness, art, you name it.

She brings her blood test results to family gatherings to show how "wonderful" they are. At the same time she "struggles" to manage the step into her own house and demands that people help her put her shoes on - I just walk away when she does this.

She is too young to be called "granny"

She always tries to befriend my friends.

She has zero close friends, but what I call her "fan club" of people who don't really know her at all, but always tell me how kind she is... She is always slagging these people off.

She is always telling everyone how useless my dad is, criticizing him constantly, treating him like an idiot.

It was always me "choosing to be upset/hurt" by something she had said, when actually she was being vile.

I always had horrible clothes and the, now notorious, horrible short hair. Incidentally, is this something that schools would consider as a flag? I doubt it but, seeing how frequent it is, maybe they should.

She didn't react at all when I told her I was getting married. She "forgot" to come to the wedding dress shop with me and my friend - who was horrified, but has MH experience so knew exactly what was happening.

Said I absolutely had to go shopping with her so she could pick a dress for my wedding. She then didn't wear it. She wore it for her birthday instead.

Always making me cry then telling me how ugly it made me.

When confronted, she denies saying/doing whatever it was.

Loves gory details/car crashes/others suffering. Takes great pleasure in announcing these things to the world. She is full of spite.

My sister's seizures were "attention seeking".

She wouldn't let me have my tonsils removed as it was inconvenient

She made my sister go to the doctor and report my unreasonable behavior, when all I had actually done was stand up to another of my mother's attacks.

Would often say I was "obviously mentally ill".

Has never told me she loves me. She has actually screamed "but I love you" at me and my sister during a huge family row about 20 years ago, when we threatened to cut her off altogether. Forgive me if I consider that doesn't count. She would also say "I have to love you, doesn't mean I like you", but again, I consider that doesn't count.

She is always, the victim, no-one cares about her, no-one calls her, she is never on any photos, so she says. She goes on about all the things she had to give up and when we were children would always tell us she would get her revenge later.

When I split up with a creepy guy I had been seeing briefly, she said "well I really like him" and continued contact with him and his family for years. She also tried to set him up with another family member.

She hates that I am close to my aunt, who is warm and loving and would die to defend her children. They are total opposites.

I could go on forever, it appears...

I will not be having kids. I'm still a wreck emotionally, and I'm 50 soon. I cannot process emotions in a normal way. I cry at everything that is in the slightest bit sad or sentimental. I avoid conflict at all costs. Loud noises or raised voices make me extremely anxious.

People with "normal" families, generally don't understand this kind of dynamic at all, as it's so far from their own experience. They find it bewildering. I had one close uni friend who "got it", I now have one friend who gets it because of her job and, fortunately for me, DH is brilliant. In fact, my mother has been much better behaved since he came on the scene. I think she knows he would, metaphorically, tear her to shreds if she attacked me in front of him.

As others have said, I thought my childhood was normal. It wasn't until I got away from it that I started to realize how unusual it was. It is a journey that takes years and years. I am now at the stage where I am angry that my dad never stood up to her, never defended us, never divorced her although we begged him to. I am also angry that no-one ever reported her to social services. She was good at hiding things but people must have known.

I am now low-contact with my mother, I tell her very little about myself and keep all conversations very general. It works pretty well. My sister, who was the golden child until I left home, now lives many many hours away and rarely visits.

This thread has been horrifying, sad and cathartic at once. I'm so sorry for all of you who went though these things. As others have said, you should all be proud of the way you've come through it.

JohnPrescottsPyjamas · 17/08/2022 10:15

Did anyone’s narcissistic parent ever deliberately start rows so they could turn things around and become the ‘victim’ too?

My mother had a set pattern. She would say something horrific that she knew would be very contentious - usually victim shaming like say the Saville victims brought it upon themselves and should be ashamed to be digging it up after all these years! I invariably would rise to the bait and ask how she could even think that, she would then get aggressive and up the anti, I would become more irate then she should would predictably burst into tears, accuse me of being horrible to her, that one day I would regret treating her so badly, that other people didn’t treat their mothers like I did. She would then retreat into the, “I’m a poor widow, I’m lonely, you’re my only child etc etc” Sometimes the imaginary heart condition would appear too; struggling to breathe, pain in the chest.

I tried ignoring the inflammatory remarks by responding with an, oh really that’s interesting, but she would push and push and gradually get nastier until she got a response.

OrangeBlossomsinthesun · 17/08/2022 10:23

Yes, mine would pick arguments out of nowhere and end up the "victim" of y terrible treatment, retreat to her room to feel "depressed" etc. It would go on for DAYS. In the end you´d apologise just to put an end to it, even though, by then, you didn´t even know what the argument was about. She´d make you grovel though. Sometimes suicide threats were bandied about too.

JohnPrescottsPyjamas · 17/08/2022 10:37

OrangeBlossomsinthesun · 17/08/2022 10:23

Yes, mine would pick arguments out of nowhere and end up the "victim" of y terrible treatment, retreat to her room to feel "depressed" etc. It would go on for DAYS. In the end you´d apologise just to put an end to it, even though, by then, you didn´t even know what the argument was about. She´d make you grovel though. Sometimes suicide threats were bandied about too.

This totally!!

And the, “If my parents were still alive, they would be shocked at how wicked you are!”
Er, but you were the one who made the disgusting comments that kicked off the argument in the first place!

JubileeTrifle · 17/08/2022 11:39

I think I started trying to be friendlier with my mother in my late teens. But she rebuffed me and often refused to speak to me as punishment for being a hormonal teenager years before?

She had friends but they never lasted. My MIL had one friend who tried desperately to stay friends with her. This friend had an awful life, lots of terrible things happened to her, really terrible. Resulted in her trying to commit suicide. My MILs reaction was ‘well I lost my husband’ (her friend had also lost her husband and was one of the least worst things to happen to her).

I never wanted a wedding as I knew the pair of them would be horrible to me. My brother had a big wedding. My mother had zero interest in the entire thing. When they gave her flowers at the top table and thanked her in the speech (for doing fuck all) she rolled her eyes and groaned. She then went home.

sparechange · 17/08/2022 13:26

mamabear715 · 16/08/2022 23:07

Does anyone else NEVER ask for help & pride themselves on being able to cope with anything? I have walls a million feet thick..

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