Porn culture has led to women suffering injuries during sex

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Apart from all the violence etc porn portrays as normal, anal sex is definitely treated as an everyday thing that women enjoy. I don't personally. I know some women claim they do but I've certainly known men who pressure for it and I'm guessing it's only got worse in the years since I was dating.

This article suggests women are unknowingly entering into something that can cause serious injuries.

www.theguardian.com/society/2022/aug/11/rise-in-popularity-of-anal-sex-has-led-to-health-problems-for-women

@PollyRockets Do you want to educate 9/10 year olds about anal sex?

Nope

What an odd question

@PollyRockets What age would you like this to be part of a school education then? You did mention Year 5, sorry if I misunderstood.

We must be similar ages, I knew exactly what you meant.

@PollyRockets You also mentioned educating young girls -which to me means a child, and men - which means adult men to me. Just wondering where you would want all this education to take place, and if you want to educate young girls why not young boys too?

If you read the context of that comment and the one I was replying to it would have made more sense. Always good practice before jumping into a chain to read for context.

It should be part of secondary sex education.

@PollyRockets OK, secondary means educating young girls and young boys. You did originally state young girls and men, which just sounds odd.

Oh now you can read

It's not about boys accepting no really because the report I linked about showed teenage girls expect to do anal and expect it not to be pleasurable. So if boys ask, they may say yes due to the culture surrounding them.

Changing the culture is what's needed and it's not down to girls that the culture is what it is. The actions you wrote for girls were a lot more in depth and nuanced than those for boys. This is a patriarchy so it's not surprising but I'm just so fed up of females being seen as in control of what males do to them.

Why not focus on the boys for once? They need to stop seeing anal as a badge of honour and start seeing it as risky and harmful, and unlikely to be fun for their partner. We need to stop tolerating "brown wings" banter and start teaching that sex is about connection, not performance. Easier said than done but "teaching girls to say no" isn't the answer. After all, no means yes, yes means anal to a lot of boys

Well you are still wrong. As it starts in year six. Unless you are including puberty information and naming body parts, which is mostly largely year six anyone.
Personally, if any teaching professional starting advocating for anal sex education, outside of giving the risks and why it's not a good idea of course, I'd be suggesting they get their hardrive checked.

@DobbyHasASock Agreed. It is highly suspect to teach to the 'young girls' how to have anal sex with 'men.'

Perhaps if we can keep the thread above the level of checking peoples reading skills. That could just be a minimum..... Or am I expecting too much?

'Vanilla' is just the new 'frigid'.

What a pointlessly rude comment.

Also a bit ironic considering the amount of people who clearly haven't read the article.

Gosh that takes me back.
Class of Frigid 99 lol.

I don't think you can ignore it since boys are watching porn anyway. Maybe it's more suitable for 16+ though.

Nobody teaching sex education should be promoting anything, besides contraception and consent, regardless of what it is they're speaking about.

By professionals giving children tips on how to have anal sex, they would be endorsing it.
Sex education is based on research and a balancing of factors in this country. We already teach how porn isn't real and about internet safety and consent.

I see no reason to add in how to have slightly less risky anal sex. It's grooming.

I'm showing my age I know, but remember how that was the way some boys would try and shame/coerce girls into sex they didn't really want?

16+ is old enough to hear about it, and at that age, they're already familiar with what it is. And it shouldn't be all positive either. Porn doesn't show you the downsides so it's an opportunity to actually have a balanced discussion. Same as how there's discussions about consent in school.

There is no reason to teach about the positives, so called, of anal sex.

Sex education is not focused on positives, aside from the relationship building, respect side which is generally quite separate.
It is about safety and pregnancy knowledge, respect and boundaries.
Anal sex doesn't fit this.
Although I do believe the stats on prolapse etc would be useful but they can be communicated without the anal normalising narrative.

We also need to get away from the messaging that all boys want is sex and that anyone who isn't wanting sex all the time is some kind of weird aberation. There are so many social messages that normalize guys being only about sex and only wanting sex and assuming that ever guy wants sex with every girl he meets or else he is broken, not a real guy and creepy / weird. Also that he needs to be good in bed from Day 1 and know how to please a woman and be adventurous and not boring. When a guy wants to take it slower he gets insulted for being not that into her and that if he liked her he would have made moves. All the BDE and SDE is harmful as well. Lots of harmful social messaging about sex for everyone.

Of course you teach about the positives

It's called a balance

Showing all angles so people can make INFORMED choices

I was told sex feels good when in school for sex Ed.

Why would it just be girls and women being taught this?

Men have anal sex too, even the straight ones sometimes like a finger or two up the backside

I began sex education in year 5

As did my 2 eldest

Most decent parents start well before that too at home

You genuinely believe schools should talk to students about the pleasure of anal sex?

Jesus.