AIBU To Remind Everyone That Self ID Was A Tory Policy?

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I've seen so many posts over the past few years with people urging us to vote Tory because at least the Conservatives know what a woman is.🙄

This is nonsense for the following reasons:

1. The Tories introduced Self ID under Theresa May's GRA Reform and Penny Mordaunt championed it.
2. Tory MPs have reported women to the police for retweeting AHF posts and tweets by JKR.
3. Trans contagion amongst teens happened under the Tory government.
4. Trans women in women's spaces such as hospitals and prisons and Girl Guides happened under the Tory government.
5. Rape in hospital that isn't considered "rape" because there was no man present? Tory government.
6. It's a Trojan Horse. Bridgend Tories won the seat with a small majority. Their Tory MP, once safely in his seat announced that he was trans and intended to become a woman. I am gutted for any GC/feminist voters who held their nose and voted Conservative only to end up with Jamie Wallace.
7. In the latest leadership race, Penny TWAW Mordaunt nearly became our new prime minister. Few (if any)Tories gave a fuck about her well documented TWAW stance.
8. 1 week after Starmer refused to answer "what is a woman?", PM Boris Johnson did the same. This was not publicised to anywhere near the same extent.

So some Tories know what a woman is.
Some Tories don't.
Most don't give a shit about women or their rights either way, they're just happy to use us in their culture wars.🤷‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤷‍♀️

Of course it involves discrimination. Sensible, lawful, caring, absolutely correct discrimination. There was already a trans-friendly service there, why do you think it reasonable that women weren’t allowed a female-only one?

It’s not enough for you lot that you get equal provision, is it, the whole aim is actually to humiliate women, and take away what is theirs.

Well, personally, I would rather there were zero rape crises centres and other essential services for women, provided each of them was clear that, were it to exist, they would not assist trans people.

am I doing this right?

No, mate.

Who is 'you lot' in this sentence? My priority as a voter is about meaningful policies that affect people's day to day lives. Extreme hypotheticals or very specific edge cases like the one linked to are far less important to me then the bread and butter issues of people heating their homes, feeding their families, finding employment etc. I

'm not fully versed on all the legal details of transgender discrimination law, but I find it baffling that some women on here think the Tory party stance on trans rights means they are a better option for women as a whole - that's absolutely bonkers and they need to get a grip.

These are not extreme hypotheticals or edge cases, they are real cases that have happened. “You lot” means people like you who think that women should not be allowed single-sex provisions, and who post disingenuously about what the laws on the matter say.

I'm not fully versed on all the legal details of transgender discrimination law

Obviously. FOJN is much more informed, so maybe read her excellent posts and if you can't answer her questions, think about them.

I'd rather watch paint dry tbh, but cheers for the condescension.

So you don’t understand the subject, refuse to read posts by someone who does, and yet are trying to tell others that they are wrong.

Have you considered joining Labour, you’d feel right at home.

FOJN has exposed gaps in your knowledge and posed questions that you cannot answer. It's up to you whether you want to respond to this by carrying out further research (maybe ask her for links?) and thinking or watch paint dry.

You claim to be motivated by the greater societal good, so let your social conscious be your guide.

Conscience. Fuck you, autocorrect.

m not fully versed on all the legal details of transgender discrimination law, but I find it baffling that some women on here think the Tory party stance on trans rights means they are a better option for women as a whole - that's absolutely bonkers and they need to get a grip.

So you know nothing about the current law nevermind what changing to self ID would mean in practice but you feel qualified to tell people who are far better informedthan you that you know the conservatives are the worst option for women and we need to "get a grip". Forgive me if I don't recognise your ignorance as authority, I can only assume it's identifying as such.

I'd rather watch paint dry tbh, but cheers for the condescension.

Oh my sides

ImWell makes a very appropriate suggestion....

Have you considered joining Labour, you’d feel right at home.

OP, i couldn't agree more with you.
All the incidents we hear about are all happening under a tory government who dont give a shit about women or their rights.

They wont change anything if they get in power again, and some people will be on here so shocked, just as they were when Boris Johnson proved himself to be an incompetent, womanising, corrupt liar, despite him showing them who he was, well before the elections.

OP im not sure why you wanting to take the opportunity to voice this opinion, is any different from the million threads being started about the same thing on the feminism boards.
Noone is on there saying they are "obessed", they are passionate, they "give a shit" and are educating others.

If people don't like the thread, walk on by, the title does what it says on the tin, if you are bored by it, don't get involved.

There’s no point in trying to start a discussion on FWR. There are half a dozen regular posters who just adopt the most extreme position on any particular trans-related topic, swamp the thread, and make nuanced conversation impossible

Can you give an example of this extreme position?

I’m not up for a pile on, thanks. PP has suggested that these conversations happen regularly on the fwr board. They might want to pop over there and suggest, for example, that trans people aren’t the main issue facing civilised society at the moment, and see how far they get.

it has been quite refreshing to see this thread pop up on Aibu, and the balanced debate that has led to

I'd like to know what these extreme positions are too. I don't spend much time on FWR.

I do know there's a board dedicated to topics relating to sex and gender though, so I wouldn't be too surprised if debates about transgenderism pop up a lot there.

Suggesting that trans people are a much bigger problem than the cost of living crisis (see exchanges above) would qualify imo.

why not check it out. It’s good to take in a range of views. But you’ll find only one,
fairly absolutist, position, is really countenanced.

The FWR board mostly talks about women’s rights, and how they impact half the population

I think people who see it as far too niche look at is as ‘trans issues’

I don’t think the board is as you say but it’s the underlying difference imo

But you’ll find only one,fairly absolutist, position, is really countenanced.

What's that position?

It’s probably best if you head over there and have a read yourself. I wouldn’t want to put words in peoples mouths, and I’m sure they can explain better than I can. I’m not great with words

This is one of the many reasons the conservatives are the longest running political party in the UK, they have always had the ability to change tack/regroup.
Unfortunately, the left wing parties eventually eat themselves and branch off.

It may have been a conservative policy, but had any other party been in power it would have long been law by now, and not kicked into the long grass

At the moment that is the law as it stands @BarmyBrunhilde. Service providers can chose to provide single sex spaces to women and then open them up to transwomen if they want and tell women to suck it up or fuck off.

WRT rape, sexual assault and DV, the experience of women, men and trans women is different due to biology and socialisation. It benefits no one to believe otherwise. Transwomen need their own spaces to discuss these things. As do men. And women.

I get the inclusivity/diversity argument, but it is counterproductive and shortsighted to ignore the obvious differences and need for safe single sex or single gender eg.Transwoman, spaces.

It depends really. If you are doing fine financially but there’s a man coming into your changing room at the gym then that’s the more important issue.There’s no point getting upset that other people don’t have the same agenda as you (which seems to be desperately stopping women defending their rights.)

I’m doing fine financially, thanks

but I do a lot of work with food banks, and my OH works in a school in a deprived area. We both see at fairly close quarters the harm that inflationary pressures are currently causing. You won’t need me to spell out what this means for some families because it’s all over the press

i don’t want to sound facetious, or to speak for others. but if you spoke to these parents and said ‘we can give you enough money to feed your kids, but in exchange you may bump into a trans woman at the swimming baths’ then my suspicion is they would bite your hands off

tbh I’m a bit puzzled by the fact that, because I’m not personally in the shit, I’m unlikely to consider the cost of living crisis to be a serious problem. It’s really quite myopic. Have you ever voted Tory?