To wonder why men hate women so much?

[YouAreNotBatman]

Violence againt women, sexual harrasment.

Controlling women bodies.

Women’s sexuality: frigid prude if you don’t want sex, slut if you.

Porn, sex ”work”.

All the MRA’s, mgtow, incels etc.

Even historically speaking they have no reason to be angry at women, women never had any power, mostly tried to accommodate to men’s demand/ wants, I think it still goes on.

Many women still tip toe the line to placate men.

What reason do they have to be so angry at women?

Obviously it’s dangerous for society if men feel that the law and legal system can’t represent or is unfriendly to them or biased against them.

As opposed to a legal system that was inherently biased against women?

This reminds me of marking an UG assignment, that is devoid of any reference to academic literature and based entirely on conjecture. You know the ones, don't you? Always found in year 1.

All I’m saying is we need to be careful that that line doesn’t get crossed and it’s certainly possible it could.

Be grateful to the women that weren't afraid to cross the line and fought for all the rights and privileges you enjoy now. The women who were beaten,abused,imprisoned. The women who fought against it all and put their own blood(literally) ,sweat and tears so you can not only have a good life, but it's so good in fact that it allows you to cower in fear instead of fighting further for the ones that come after you.

I get where you're coming from. I get the fear. It doesn't make it right or righteous. It's still fear and cowardice and settling for what you have because you're scared of asking for more. That would be ok , if you wouldn't try to stop the women that are brave enough and hungry enough to want more,for themselves ,for their daughters ,for their granddaughters,for any women that need it and want it.

This reminds me of marking an UG assignment, that is devoid of any reference to academic literature and based entirely on conjecture. You know the ones, don't you? Always found in year 1.

Oh yes - the 'citation needed' quick mark button would be so useful here!

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@brookstar

I meant a danger of women not getting adequate care if medicine was totally male dominated.

And yes if men feel the legal system is unfriendly to them it will cause issues which is why they need an adequate amount of control (whatever that is) to make sure they don’t feel that.

@brookstar

Comparatively yes. Because we needed to advocate to them to change that and look how long it took. They don’t need to do that as they can just blow it all up and start over so the change doesn’t have to be slow. That’s the danger. Their method of change will be more sudden and destructive because it’s one that’s available to them and not us just because they’re stronger and more aggressive.

I am seeing a Batman outfit and Buckingham Palace here.

Thats been the case for years. Any hormones related medical condition was dismissed, until well its now still happening

It's complex (I haven't read the whole thread) but this book is really interesting about the myriad of reasons why mashable.com/article/how-men-can-help-sophie-gallagher-extract

I meant a danger of women not getting adequate care if medicine was totally male dominated.

That ship has sailed I'm afraid. There is lots of evidence of women not getting adequate care.

And yes if men feel the legal system is unfriendly to them it will cause issues which is why they need an adequate amount of control (whatever that is) to make sure they don’t feel that.

Again, you've not answered the question. Why is only a problem if the legal system is unfriendly to men? It isn't and is unlikely to become that way. There is, however, lots of evidence of the legal system being unfriendly to women. Why isn't that a problem?

@Suetodo88

I don't really understand your philosophy on all this, I will be honest a lot of what you say doesn't much correlate with my life, or my experience. But just to clarify. You think men have the power and they have always had the power because of both physical and intellectual superiority? They are the one with all the ideas, that have created all the systems and should maintain creative control over these organisations/businesses/ideas. One of the reasons this should continue is because of what they might do if women take "creative control" away from them? (Because the men might get pissed and initiate some form of apocolypse if woman try to get any more than they currently have). You think women haven't really tried very hard to take charge of anything throughout history, they have been a bit nonchalant about it all, their hormones get it in the way as well. They should be allowed to stay at home, being wives and mothers and they should be respected for this, but if they do choose to enter the workforce, they should create areas separate from men, bringing new and innovative ideas that are theirs alone. They have to make sure that they know their place, that they don't try to take any "creative control" from men and that they should understand that men should be paid more without complaining about it.

These are my words, not yours, but they are what I have taken from your posts. Is that really what you think?

@Suetodo2

They don’t need to do that as they can just blow it all up and start over so the change doesn’t have to be slow. That’s the danger. Their method of change will be more sudden and destructive because it’s one that’s available to them and not us just because they’re stronger and more aggressive.

Can you explain what this "sudden and destructive" change you keep referring to actually means?

You are describing this as if we are on the precipice on an imminent uprising by men against working women and there is going to be some sort of bloodbath by men forcibly claiming all these jobs back.

I actually have no idea what you are talking about here and I find these Apocalpytic references both sinister and utterly crazy. Even in the furthest reaches of the far right anti-feminist fringe no-one is talking about a male uprising. Mainly because no-one needs to: we are already living in a patriarchy. So what do you mean when you talk about "sudden and destructive change"?

I wonder if education would help. Are men educated to degree level or beyond less likely to be sexist? Are women with higher education more likely to assert their rights to respect and equally?

Please see the link to documentary on the recent Warwick Uni scandal to see, alas, this isn't true

www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/p0799fyb/the-warwick-uni-rape-chat-scandal

Without reading the study I would’ve immediately said no

@pigalow27

We talked about this upthread. My view: it helps up to a point in flagging that open sexism isn't to be tolerated. But to answer your question no I don't think degree level educated men are any less sexist than those without degrees. I just think they are (usually) better at hiding it.

Sexism and misogyny aren't things you can teach out of people. They are about power and control and we need to assert our rights.

I mean, they can’t, because laws have to go through several stages of parliament before being passed and your idea of some men’s legal uprising that penalised women wouldn’t even get past the bill stage. But please do go on it’s very entertaining.

The lack of choices ,opportunities and promotion of women meant that when I need a tutor (to extend work not because I couldn't cope) only male names were bandied about. Not the end of the world ,but not exactly a great example aspiring to go into further maths. There was one name that rose above others, a uni professor,great results,great talent ,great reputation. Unbeatable really.

Again, you might think,no issue there. However his reputation,his invincibility meant that he was confident and arrogant enough to abuse teens in his own home,at a table with others. His reputation meant that not only did parents never complained,but they kept sending their girls to him (despite rumours and gossiping about him and warnings) and paying him to abuse those girls,because trust me, I didn't do much learning once it started. A career,reputation and mansion built on the broken minds of those girls. And if they didn't get great results ,or quit half way? Well they were just lazy and not able enough and couldn't cope with the work/pressure. And on and on it went until he died, an epitome of academic success , a scholar of maths and the man to whom we owed our education and careers. Well not me, I'm a loser .

@Thepeopleversuswork

I am not talking about some men vs women apocalypse please. I am talking about the inherent danger in large swathes of men feeling that society doesn’t work for them and so being drawn to whatever promises to make it better. That’s not apocalypse it’s happened before many time and you can see an incompetent version of it going on in America in the very recent past.

In my “gender equality” in the way some see it is as capable of being a contributing cause as many things and perhaps more than most.

@TedMullins

Yes because we all know that the only way change has ever occurred is through the passing of bills in parliament. That’s the way things have been done for ever and ever and always will.🤔

I am not talking about some men vs women apocalypse please. I am talking about the inherent danger in large swathes of men feeling that society doesn’t work for them and so being drawn to whatever promises to make it better. That’s not apocalypse it’s happened before many time and you can see an incompetent version of it going on in America in the very recent past.

Sounds all rather dramatic to me. Can't see it myself although you'll always have MRA pricks moaning and crying about stuff.

How has this happened before and when/where?

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I posted this link upthread, to no response, but it does also cover many of the attitudes to work and roles being discussed here. There is a downloadable report on attitudes to gender issues and sexism, and it is quite encouraging.

Social Attitudes - Gender

I think unfortunately what we are seeing here is a woman's concern of what would happen in her own household if she demanded equality magnified out to society.