To wonder why men hate women so much?

[YouAreNotBatman]

Violence againt women, sexual harrasment.

Controlling women bodies.

Women’s sexuality: frigid prude if you don’t want sex, slut if you.

Porn, sex ”work”.

All the MRA’s, mgtow, incels etc.

Even historically speaking they have no reason to be angry at women, women never had any power, mostly tried to accommodate to men’s demand/ wants, I think it still goes on.

Many women still tip toe the line to placate men.

What reason do they have to be so angry at women?

@TedMullins

Goverments do all kinds of dumb things to appease small groups, surely looking at the shit show here and in the US could teach you that.

I suppose it is easy for men to sign up on MN, under the guise of a woman.

Exactly my thoughts....especially given the last contribution about being an academic in an 'actual scientific field'.
I suspect he's a disgruntled academic who is pissed off that he's been overtaken in his career by more capable female academics.

Sounds about right 😂

We actually have a 50/50 sex split across the team (balanced across management as well as non management which is more unusual). And yet the men are not rising up and revolting, instead they are... wait for it... the ones who employed us with no forcing required. Shocking!! They must be very unmanly men.

They even boast about how even distributed our team is compared to other areas of the business. The men, actually happy about it...

There wasn't even any PR to force them as despite being a mid-large company we are so niche hardly anyone has ever heard of us or cares whether we employ women or not. They just did it off their own backs. And all of them manage to have decent jobs, children and working wives, some of whom earn more than them. They even do cooking and pick up their own kids from school etc.

And yet no civil war or protests have broken out. How very anti climatic.

Oh!
Is 51% a "small group" now? Who knew?!

Maybe that is because people like yourself, have minimised women's claims of an unfair gender pay gap? 🤔 what you are actually saying is women should be seen but not heard. Not happening.

Because transwomen already have the legal right as men to use facilities for men. To be treated as men with all of the privilege that entails. They now also want the right to use facilities and spaces that are legally for females. So more rights. Isn't that obvious?

@brookstar

Lol, keep dreaming he’s highly successful and probably more respected than you in your field. But regardless think what you will. I know how this goes, a few more posts lamely congratulating yourselves amongst “proving” me wrong. Like I said time will tell on it all.

I think you need to read up a bit on floatation of companies and shareholder ownership...you think because a man originally created a company, possibly a hundred years ago, or even 20 years ago, that women working for that company should be happy to be paid less than men working in a like role? The law doesn't agree with you and hasn't agreed with you since 1975...

So then you think that companies created by men even in modern times should pay men more because, well, just because? And then you don't even seem aware that partnerships exist and that not all businesses are corporate entities. Just bizarre.

Its obviously been easier for men to create companies because they aren't excluded by gender from funding/roles either directly or indirectly. Neither do they tend to be excluded from board membership by unconscious bias. However theres an awful lot of examples of incompetent male CEOs around and by ignoring half of the population, you miss out on an awful lot of talent. Thats well recognised now which is why we have increasing female representation on boards.

The professions are increasingly female dominated. The law is now having a bit of a problem with a lack of white men being able to qualify and get the best jobs, numerically speaking. It used to be the opposite.

If you are suggesting that a highly talented, motivated and hard working female lawyer should be happy to be paid less than her male counterpart, then you can take that idea and get to f**k. No way would I be happy getting paid less than a man for my hard work. As for dropping out for maternity, about half the legal profession drop out anyway and tbh the majority of those who end up doing so are men. Turns out that being cossetted and told they "deserve" the best paid roles isn't very good preparation for real life in the modern world. If a partnership needs a woman to keep going/remain competitive, then her share of partner profits is going to be based on what she brought in to the partnership, like anyone else, not some nancy fancy idea that she should settle for less just because. There are loads and loads of well paid women lawyers and businesspeople making a shed load of money and often dictating their terms because they are damned good at what they do and are in high demand.

Interesting thought, but see also "my husband says" ... usually the last bastion of a card-carrying willing occupant of Gilead.

My husband is a gas engineer but that doesn't mean I can strip down our boiler, your husband being an academic doesn't make you an academic expert yourself.

@Suetodo2

"small groups"?

Like, just over half the population?

You really have drunk the Kool Aid haven't you?

@Suetodo2

That’s what wage gap is about though, same pay for same job.
Not everyone making same money for whatever job.

Men have not created jobs just for women to have.

The is no collapse of society waiting to happen if women keep wanting the equal pay, if this actually worries you - please stop.

As pp suggested, do you have a (misogynystic) husband at home venting to you about this stuff?
This is not the reality.
Life doesn’t look like what you describe.

@Suetodo2

You seem to be relying on your husband as the sole source of authority on all this and claiming that the upcoming Armageddon will demonstrate you are correct.

Not the most compelling argument.

Genuinely, do you get all your information on this topic from your husband? In the nicest possible way it might be nice to consult other sources on this.

All sorts of reasons.

Cultural upbringing is a main factor in my family before I got married. Girls were seen as less valuable because they couldn't continue the family line. Me, my sister and neices from our dbs are not entitled to inherit any land from our ancestors in Hong Kong. However, my brothers, male cousins and our nephews will.

Because men know that we would lose in a physical fight, so they feel entitled to use their physique against us in sexual violence when we have the audacity to say no.

Because they think that we exist to entertain them.

Because they think we have no business to do just as well as them.

Because of the patriarchy...

Lol, keep dreaming he’s highly successful and probably more respected than you in your field. But regardless think what you will. I know how this goes, a few more posts lamely congratulating yourselves amongst “proving” me wrong. Like I said time will tell on it all.

I'm sure you ( sorry, he) is.
You have no idea how successful or respected I am in my field. You've also no idea what my actual role at my university is - I could be a Dean or Director for all you know.

Or it could be that children spend more time with women than men. Hence if someone is violent to the child its most likely to be a woman.

FWIW its not overwhelmingly women. Its pretty finely balanced. In fact, in the crime survey physical abuse is more often by men

www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/crimeandjustice/articles/abuseduringchildhood/findingsfromtheyearendingmarch2016crimesurveyforenglandandwales#:~:text=Perpetrators%20were%20most%20likely%20to,%25%20and%20mother%2C%2029%25).

This projection that women are abusers of children is an MRA talking point and it exists precisely to stop people focusing on systematic male violence.

Quite x🤒

@AchatAVendre

Not going to bother with most of that as it’s irrelevant to what I posted, however you do bring up the point of certain professions become female dominated which actually relates exactly to what I’m talking about. Something women are changing about those professions is making them undesirable to men. Law (which you work in) being one of these - surely you realise the inherent danger of law becoming a female profession and men not feeling that the law is fair to them?
Thats what I was getting at earlier, at a basic level mens physicality is what gives the law power, without it it has none, surely law becoming female dominated is just a horrible obviously dangerous idea?

Reading through this thread it's becoming clearer that we need to bring up our sons to know and understand that when a woman says NO it really does mean NO and they have to accept it and leave it at that .

Lol good ol Mumsnet. Where any woman disagreeing is a secret man. So predictable. And then the same few posters all congratulate each other lamely on their imagined unmasking of a man.

Once again your argument is based on fear. Fear of how men will react. Don't you see how fucked up that is? You want millions of women to be held back, financially vulnerable,to be paid less than men ,to be valued by men because you're afraid of how men will react. The volcanic eruption, spiralling out of control etc.

Years ago you would've been among the ones standing against women's right to vote,or the right to education,or the right to not be raped by their husbands,or the rights over their own reproduction,or the right to work,or the right to own property . Because men won't like it and will kick off.

I bet you're happy you have all those rights though.

@FinneusMum

I don’t know but clearly they are and I don’t see how it couldn’t become a problem in the future.