To wonder why men hate women so much?

[YouAreNotBatman]

Violence againt women, sexual harrasment.

Controlling women bodies.

Women’s sexuality: frigid prude if you don’t want sex, slut if you.

Porn, sex ”work”.

All the MRA’s, mgtow, incels etc.

Even historically speaking they have no reason to be angry at women, women never had any power, mostly tried to accommodate to men’s demand/ wants, I think it still goes on.

Many women still tip toe the line to placate men.

What reason do they have to be so angry at women?

also @Suetodo2 I can assure you it isn't just academics or people who live in a "bubble" who care about equal pay. The less pay you earn, the more you have invested in being paid at parity with men.

Christ on a bike some contributions to this thread are mental

@YouAreNotBatman

Im not talking about being fine with getting payed the same for the same job. I’m saying they are fine with a gender wage gap across the board because an exact 50/50 split of wages across society is a foolish and pointless aim. No one thinks women should be paid less for the actual exact same job in a company of something.

Its turned toxic because the quest to get to a average earning of men and women as classes totally the same had unfourtunately taken the form of men having to provide the jobs for women to make that happen. I think they feel used and it’s going to ultimately be a bad thing. I don’t know why people think it can’t go bad or are blasé about it.

@Suetodo88 - you've completely lost me.

If a woman is invited to join an all male board then obviously that is fine, but I said if they are forced to hire a woman that is wrong. In that case they are being forced to give up creative control of their creation by adding a new voice who will change it despite what they want. You can say that she’s adding value to it and she can agree but it’s hardly fair if the men who actually made the company don’t agree and don’t like the changes she brings. She is clearly far less entitled to control over what they have made than they are (in fact she isn’t at all).

What the fuck has the sex of the new hire got to do with it?
Why do you imagine that men will feel creative control is being wrested from them if their new Board hire is female?
Why do you believe that a new, male, Board member would not challenge creative control?
& what on earth is going on with your assertion that a woman has less "entitlement" to control the company than a man - purely by dint of her sex?

You seem to have some pretty entrenched misogyny in your system, & clearly believe that men "own" work, & women are incomers hellbent on causing mischief & wresting control.
Have you never witnessed the infighting & politicking that goes on between men in the workplace?

Of course, I respect your opinion but to say most people don't care about the gender pay gap or equality is not right. We would be living in a regressive world, if that were the case. I also don't understand where the toxicity comes into it.

Oh please please tell me how the results of my data analysis work differ from my male colleagues results based on my hormones....

@brookstar

Im guessing you usually talk to people similar to you and come on strong so people just nod and politely agree.

Calm down dear.
It's called societal growth.

sutodo88' do you think the problem is that women are stealing jobs from men? What if a woman is more qualified and capable than a man? Do you think the man should get that job regardless?

Also interested in this answer, specifically when the man in question has nothing to do with The Board. No prior company connection that "entitles" him in some way.

@Mississipi71

I think your underestimating the ability of the loud and passionate minority to force changes they want. Not just in this but anything. Plenty of things happen the majority of people don’t care about and never thought much about.

Its turned toxic because the quest to get to a average earning of men and women as classes totally the same had unfourtunately taken the form of men having to provide the jobs for women to make that happen. I think they feel used and it’s going to ultimately be a bad thing.

You keep making these sweeping statements which imply some sort of Apocalyptic social breakdown is imminent if we don't all immediately quit our jobs and rush back home. But none of this has any basis in reality. It's just not true that they have to "provide" jobs to us.

You have been asked this by multiple posters and you have not provided a single instance of where a man has been asked to give up a job or a Board seat to a woman. Because it doesn't happen. It would be illegal. Neither are men on the point of manning the barricades and burning the villages because of women going to work. Even the most avid misogynists are not about to do this.

I can only assume that a man you are close to (presumably your husband) has been grumbling about having to "hand over" his job to a woman. This doesn't mean its true. OP you really need to speak to some more people about this.

Im guessing you usually talk to people similar to you and come on strong so people just nod and politely agree.

Nope.
What do you picture me doing? Do you think I burst into organisations and demand they hire women??! Funny.

@KettrickenSmiled

Dear I call it restrictive and unnatural authoritarianism.

Dear I call it restrictive and unnatural authoritarianism.

All because women want to work.....

@Sheepreallylikerichteabiscuits it's your insistence on printing out your results on pink paper, & decorating it with stick-on sparkles that give you away.

Oh! that, & only getting your job because forced hiring, & now you are there you are hellbent on wresting creative control away from the menz. And that is Unfair to the menz, & you are Bad & Wrong.

Yeah, reckon that just about covers the powerhouse that is SuetoDo's intellectual reasoning on this one.

Yeah, but to be fair, you are batshit, & think men are superior to women, who need to apply to them cap in hand for jobs, so shall we leave it there?

I suppose all this talk is pointless anyway. Either you who disagree with me are right and things will settle and everyone will be happy with it or they won’t and things will (eventually) spiral out of control. We can have our own opinions but only time can answer the question of if “gender equality” at work (as in men and women together in all things making 50/50 of societies wages) is a long term possibility.

I'm guessing its 'unnatural' because we women wanting to go out to work and not stay at home and pander to our husbands are 'unnatural'

Go us unnatural women!

I'm still waiting on an answer for how my hormones supposedly affect my work product from that delightful poster 🙄

I wouldn't class women as a minority
per se, as much as some men would want them to be. I would have to question any woman who wasn't bothered about inequity in pay. So in this case, we are not talking about what a minority wants.

Yes, sure, people really don’t care to the extent that it’s a legal requirement for companies with over 250 employees to declare theirs. The government made a whole law about something no one cares about. Keep labouring under your misogynist misapprehensions.

Lol no, my husband isn’t on any board and is actually himself an academic (of an actual scientific field not a phoney baloney one also why I know the whole matriarchal prehistory thing is total fantasy). Most of the serious researchers in his field are men but there are a few women. It’s ok for it to be that way.

@Suetodo2

What hormonal differences impact the workplace?

Why are you so bothered about the idea of women taking money from men in the workplace but perfectly OK with women taking money from men to be sahm?

What does raising kids have to do with working?

Doesn't your mysoginy and sexism bother you, as a woman?

I suppose it is easy for men to sign up on MN, under the guise of a woman. 😉

@Mississipi71

The amount of women actually pushing for these changes are and always have been a minority