To wonder why men hate women so much?

[YouAreNotBatman]

Violence againt women, sexual harrasment.

Controlling women bodies.

Women’s sexuality: frigid prude if you don’t want sex, slut if you.

Porn, sex ”work”.

All the MRA’s, mgtow, incels etc.

Even historically speaking they have no reason to be angry at women, women never had any power, mostly tried to accommodate to men’s demand/ wants, I think it still goes on.

Many women still tip toe the line to placate men.

What reason do they have to be so angry at women?

Why does it matter who created the workplace?

@DandyLandy

Why should women who don’t want to go back to work care if the pay gap closes if that’s what’s causing it to not close? Why do something they don’t want to do simply to achieve a goal of no pay gap which doesn’t get them what they want in life?
Why is zero pay gap important if this is what’s holding it back?

Seriously, what a ridiculous suggestion.
Why would women set up entire workplaces or sectors why they already exist? Other than not to upset some men?

@DandyLandy

They have more right to control it. Why should someone who creates something be forced to give up creative control? They deserve it.
If men continually create more workplaces they deserve more control of them. Otherwise it’s just being provided for by men.

Maybe there are just more Zuckerbergs and Musks and so on amongst men? Maybe that’s ok?

But why don't they want to go back to work

That's the issue that is key here.

You don't hear of many men who just don't want to work and look after children instead.

Why do women feel this way.

Socialisation and lack of positive working role models is why. And how do we fix that? By encouraging women to work to be those role models for their children.

My mother is the reason I am thriving at work, never been passed over for a promotion, am well paid and respected. Because I saw how positive working was for women from a young age.

This is the most baffling view I've ever read on here.

And there have been some weird posts over the decades.

It's a business, not a gentleman's club.

Also it still doesn't address why these men don't want women to work with them in their business.

@brookstar

Because if they do enter them and change them then men absolutely can just set up new workplaces if they’re not happy with the changes. Then what? That’s how all the workplaces got started. Men just made them. If we can’t do it and they stop letting us in then we will have nothing.

Why must everything come from using men in some way or else be stupid?

You still haven't managed to name a single company which men have created where they have then been forced to employ a female executive. Not one. This whole scenario is something you have made up as an issue but you are continuing to use it to justify women not being treated equally

Why do you think the most successful businesses have a smaller male/female employee gaps?

In fact most successful businesses have female heavy leadership teams. If men are so funny about women coming in and ruining their businesses they're not very good businessmen

amp.theguardian.com/business/2022/mar/06/companies-with-female-leaders-outperform-those-dominated-by-men-data-shows

@DandyLandy

Its not baffling at all. If I start a small business I should be able to run it as I like as I created it. I’d be pissed if some man came and started telling me what changes I should make just because he liked what I had and felt entitled to use what I’d made so he could have the job he wanted.
Why would the same not apply to men.
Surely the creators of a business have more entitlement to control over it than some random who just liked the look of what they’d made and wanted a cut.

Where are these business owners being forced to hire anyone?

Again, women in snr leadership actually lead to more successful businesses

Imagine being so pathetic you didn't value someone's opinion based on their genitalia

You're still ignoring the fact that only men were allowed to create in the first place. Which is why history is dominated by males... leaders,politicians,inventors,artists etc. Which is why women in the workforce "encroach" on male creations. It's ridiculous to expect them to make their own sectors.

Also, We have already seen what happens when certain sectors do become female dominated. Those jobs lose respect, become worse paid and less valued.

We get it @Suetodo88 you are a SAHM who feels she doesn't get enough validations and respect as a SAHM and that the reason for that is because those pesky working mums are out there demanding equality.

It suits your lifestyle if your DH naturally earns more and has an easier ride through life because he is a man.

You have male sons and despite the fact that you can't articulate what women are trying to take off them you are convinced that equality will take away from them. What you actually mean is you want your sons to benefit from male privilege. So because it suits you and your set up you are determined to argue no women should have equality.

Fab we get it, the patriarchy suits you. And as long as your DH doesn't leave you and you suddenly have to get a career after a long career break, or he dies, or he becomes disabled you are fine. But whilst I very much hope none of those things happen to you you are in a hugely precarious position. A quick look of all the threads on relationships where women in your position have ended up in the shit through no fault of their own should soon show you that.

Where as equality gives us greater financial security, independence, freedom etc etc.

@DandyLandy

Why do you assume it can’t be that being a SAHM is actually something normal and (for some) natural and that you can actually have role models who are SAHM?
you are writing like women need re educating so they think it’s terrible to be a SAHM and superior to work.

Please please show me the business where I am able to just go in and demand I am hired simply because I am a woman. Go on, any business. (Well I guess apart from a brothel, I guess thats pretty much their business model)

suetodo88
Have you actually thought through what you're saying? It's utterly ridiculous.

Let's take my job for example, I'm a university academic. My university ( like all universities) was set up by men. Women didn't work or study there.
Fast forward to 2022, women study and work at universities. There are initiatives in place to support female academics because there is still inequality. Are you suggesting that instead of trying to tackle this inequality that women should be setting up their own universities?

@Suetodo88

In many ways I feel that the push for supposed equality has taken the form of degrading and trying to destroy more traditional roles like a SAHM and twhereas that was equally valued to what men did before (which was a kind of equality) now it isn’t

Traditional roles taken by women have never been valued as equal to what men did. Women always had second class status in society and in the past had even less autonomy and freedom than they do now.

Claiming that traditional societal structures value women more is delusional. Look at societies which value "traditional" gender segregation. In none of them are women deemed equal to men.

@DandyLandy

It’s because those are the businesses which were already successful before the push for more gender equal workplaces and so are more susceptible to outside pressure to reduce the pay gap and hire more high position women. They are afraid for their image if they don’t do it. Unsuccessful companies don’t have that pressure as they’re not high profile and no one is campaigning to get more women into a flailing company.

Its quite faulty data to suggest that hiring more women makes a company more successful just because there are more women at successful companies. The reality is those companies were already successful - that is why they hired more women as they are more susceptible to social media pressure and want to mantian good or.

Do you really think Musk or Zuckerberg succeeded because they hired women?

@Suetodo88

That makes 0 sense

Surely the push to hire women would make the business less successful?

Also if you read the data it's clear that there is incremental increase in success as their gender gap closes.

I don't think women should be criticised for being SAHM. A single parent working from home could be described as a SAHM, couldn't they? Or does it only describe women who rely on a man's salary? At any rate I think a woman's choice should be respected - some women want to work, some want to spend more time with their children. I regard the idea of forcing women back to work when their children are 1 as cruel. Fine if you want to, but I don't think leaving your children in the care of strangers is acceptable to everyone, and wish there was more flexibility for parents to spend more time with their children rather than propping up an economic and social system by working as much as we do.

You really don't like women do you.

Your internalised misogyny runs so deep that you have no respect for other women. Its actually quite sad to see this so openly.

It is terrible to be a SAHM

It's not a valued profession

It adds nothing to society as a whole

It only acts to harm women and girls and perpetuate gender stereotypes

@brookstar An all female university sounds quite interesting to me. Perhaps it could prioritise women's research to make up for all the years we have missed out.

@Suetodo88 do you vote? Do you like having that right? Do you think women should have that right?

Men kicked and screamed and turned violent to try and prevent it.some are still resentful that it is possible.

They created something (from the actual democracy, to the way voting works etc)and we "took"it from them. They had to share the power.

Are you against that too?

@brookstar

Yes I do think we should start some things more on our own. Because creation of new industry or business or places of learning hasn’t stopped, it still happens all the time. That’s why all these tech CEO’s are men, they recognised (and created) a changing and new technology and from that new industry grew. They did that out of nothing and it won’t be the last time either.
If men are always the ones doing that then we will always just be asking them for a place in what they make.

Men don’t find the idea of men creating new industry or a new University ridiculous, they’ve already done it, they’ll do it again. If it’s ridiculous to you that women should do the same perhaps you should think about why. Maybe you are more old fashioned than you realise if the only way you can see for women to gain a position they want is by them gaining it through entry to something made by men.