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Wedding, husband and flower girls

337 replies

Harrishoole · 05/08/2022 10:43

Brother in law is getting married in an hour and a half; never been on mumsnet, don't know what to do. Feel as if I am going to vomit.

Checked into hotel to find sister-in-law with her cousins and bridesmaids and two bloody flower girls.

Our two girls are not invited.

It became very obvious to me and mother-in-law that my children were not going to be invited to the wedding, logically none of our business but it was hurtful and upsetting. I thought my husband would be accepting but he was completely offended. He approached Brother-in-law who spoke to sister-in -law. Kids not invited.

Pandemic took over and when wedding was planned again both MiL and husband spoke again but no kids. BiL admitted this was SiL as he had left all planning to her.

Husband is best man. I don't know if I should ring him and warn him and MiL. I am scared there will be an atmosphere when they walk in.

OP posts:
Nothappyatwork · 08/08/2022 14:59

Their weddings their rules always makes me laugh, wouldnt be much of a wedding if nobody wanted to come would it ?
I have the most relaxed wedding you can imagine literally no rules come to turn up take your seat, still manage to get fucked up by my uncle being in court three days before nobody mentioned it.

honestly don’t know why anybody bother stressful drama fuelled events

Dixiechickonhols · 08/08/2022 15:00

Outlookmainlyfair · 08/08/2022 14:55

I can absolutely see why your are upset, you have been snubbed. Same thing happened to us, throughout the wedding (when this happened to us) people kept on coming up to us saying how sad it was that our children were not there, the bridesmaids was a bit bored and disappointed not to see her cousins (our children). Every time I was asked I brushed aside the comment saying what I wonderful wedding it was. Has is affected how I view that side of the family? Of course it has, i will be polite but make no other effort.

You were very dignified. Guests will be asking where’s the nieces, why haven’t you brought Katie and Alice. It’s awkward for everyone to say oh they weren’t invited. Can’t fall back on the it’s a childfree wedding if Chloe and Jane are twirling on the dance floor. I’d think a couple were awful not to invite their 2 nieces when clearly there isn’t a rift as their dad/his bother is best man.

SuperPets · 08/08/2022 15:16

Dixiechickonhols · 08/08/2022 15:00

You were very dignified. Guests will be asking where’s the nieces, why haven’t you brought Katie and Alice. It’s awkward for everyone to say oh they weren’t invited. Can’t fall back on the it’s a childfree wedding if Chloe and Jane are twirling on the dance floor. I’d think a couple were awful not to invite their 2 nieces when clearly there isn’t a rift as their dad/his bother is best man.

They really won't be asking. Nobody cares, your children are not the centre of the universe, and most people can understand "no kids except for in the wedding party"

BlokeHereInPeace · 08/08/2022 15:57

Did anyone vomit?

Dixiechickonhols · 08/08/2022 16:10

SuperPets · 08/08/2022 15:16

They really won't be asking. Nobody cares, your children are not the centre of the universe, and most people can understand "no kids except for in the wedding party"

I really can’t imagine a scenario where family wouldn’t ask. They aren’t just random children they are nieces. I’d expect relatives to ask mil why her 2 grandchilden aren’t there or wonder to op where they are - fancied a night off did you err no they weren’t invited. Not having your 2 nieces as part of wedding party would be odd in my family though.

AllyCatTown · 08/08/2022 17:51

I think if both sides aren’t treated equally it can create issues. If my husband invited his nieces and nephews to our wedding but I didn’t mine then I think a lot of people would read into it. How could they not?

PancakesWithCheese · 08/08/2022 17:59

Oh, this is one of those where the OP never comes back.

Cricket1976 · 08/08/2022 20:08

Consequences for not having children at a wedding??? Starting a marriage off on the wrong foot?? All because the family brats aren't running around like wild animals? I don't get it. Maybe its different over here in the states, but kids/no kids. No big deal. Either is fine. I've never heard so much drama over this topic.

Cricket1976 · 08/08/2022 20:11

Maybe in the 1950's..... I know lots of people who are married and child free by choice. Should they have not gotten married just because they didn't want to spawn?

onlythreenow · 08/08/2022 21:11

Consequences for not having children at a wedding??? Starting a marriage off on the wrong foot?? All because the family brats aren't running around like wild animals? I don't get it. Maybe its different over here in the states, but kids/no kids. No big deal. Either is fine. I've never heard so much drama over this topic.

I agree - a lot of fuss about nothing. Some parents can't seem to do anything without their precious DC being included. I go to a wedding to see a couple commit to a lifetime together, not to watch other people's kids.

ancientgran · 08/08/2022 21:48

Dixiechickonhols · 08/08/2022 15:00

You were very dignified. Guests will be asking where’s the nieces, why haven’t you brought Katie and Alice. It’s awkward for everyone to say oh they weren’t invited. Can’t fall back on the it’s a childfree wedding if Chloe and Jane are twirling on the dance floor. I’d think a couple were awful not to invite their 2 nieces when clearly there isn’t a rift as their dad/his bother is best man.

There wasn't a rift, there is now. It's like 1966 all over again.

ancientgran · 08/08/2022 21:49

Cricket1976 · 08/08/2022 20:08

Consequences for not having children at a wedding??? Starting a marriage off on the wrong foot?? All because the family brats aren't running around like wild animals? I don't get it. Maybe its different over here in the states, but kids/no kids. No big deal. Either is fine. I've never heard so much drama over this topic.

Maybe you have brats in your family, some children are actually well behaved and people enjoy spending time with them.

Flutterbybudget · 08/08/2022 22:37

The only kids at my own wedding were my own son, and my flower girl. Her siblings weren’t there, neither were my younger cousins, nor any other children.
live since been invited to weddings, both with and without my children, and enjoyed all of them.
I don’t understand why this is even a big deal to people tbh. You’ve obviously got childcare sorted out, so just enjoy the child free day.

Kite22 · 08/08/2022 22:49

LP91 · 08/08/2022 10:14

I get that people would like their children invited, but at the end of the day this is their wedding not yours or your partners, I hate when other people try to force what they want on others. This is there day, they can invite who they want, they are footing the bill, and it should be exactly how they want it. No one else has any business in being upset about how the day is planned; the day is about celebrating their love and their union, all you have to do is show up and be supportive, please remember it’s not about you, your partner, your MIL and all of your feelings and opinions, it’s about them!

I agree.

@Harrishoole - are you coming back to update us ?
Did you vomit ?
Did you phone your dh to stir "warn" him ?
Did you MiL hold it altogether ?
Was there "an atmosphere" or did you manage to behave like adults ?

HoppingPavlova · 09/08/2022 07:54

I think if both sides aren’t treated equally it can create issues. If my husband invited his nieces and nephews to our wedding but I didn’t mine then I think a lot of people would read into it. How could they not?

OP hasn’t returned to clarify things, but as long as there were not kids there who were not in the actual wedding party then there was no unequal treatment. The wedding party is a seperate entity and of course flower girls and page boys would be there as they are fulfilling a role. It’s just like saying ‘I went to a wedding as a guest but I noticed there were bridesmaids there and I wasn’t a bridesmaid, I was just a guest, that’s unfair and I was not treated equally’, so really everyone invited would need to be a bridesmaid as theoretically they are not capped as such. A wedding party is different to guests. Here, there were no children as GUESTS so no unequal treatment.

KnockedInn · 09/08/2022 11:42

The op [and the minority of people supporting her], are making much ado over nothing. Celebrations are shared with our peers. And this is not a child's birthday party where other children should come help to celebrate!!!
The reception more than likely includes plenty of adult activities. Like drinking (too much), dancing (too provocatively), speaking words (inappropriate for children's ears), etc. Not to mention the long-standing tradition of the groom reaching under the bride’s dress to remove the garter and throwing it to the male wedding guests. With lots of cheering and adult fun. And the ceremony itself should be quiet and without distraction, leaving all eyes on the bride and groom! As well as the "decked out" wedding party.
It's selfish and immature to want to use their celebration to show off your kid(s)! Grow up and get with the program!

P.S. I suspect the op hasn't returned to post because she can't handle being told she's wrong. But I have no doubt she's returned to read. And even sent friends (or used her own alternate account) to occasionally write something in support of herself.

Pst..The reason I know this is because she would surely vomit if there wasn't some support for her in the thread.

Harrishoole · 09/08/2022 12:51

I am utterly stunned that so many people responded to this thread.

Well the wedding went off beautifully, somebody did vomit but it was a + 1 of brother-in-law's friend and they did it into a loo!

My initial intention to ring husband and mother-in-law was never to 'stir', it was to simply prepare them for the presence of children when the only two children in the family were excluded. Their lack of an invitation was contentious in my husband's family, upsetting and my husband was angry.

Many people who responded questioned what I said about its being my first time on mumsnet; I don't know why this would be an issue for anybody. What I meant was while I had frequently read posts on the site I had never registered; this was my first time of registering.

I am a GP. Vomiting is a very common response to stress and while I have actually never vomited I was very 'queezy' when I saw those two girls, who were actually lovely by the way. I was also very jealous and upset that the groom couldn't have extended the same courtesy to his own nieces.

Even in my original post I accepted that they could of course do exactly what they wanted at their own wedding.

The bride is Irish and has no direct nieces but calls her cousins' children nieces and nephews; the flower girls were the children of one of her cousins who was accompanied by her breast fed baby as well. No other children were present.

I am not judging her use of the titles nephews and nieces for these relatives, my best friend does it who is English as well as many colleagues from different cultures.

The girls were not taken away after the ceremony but stayed up all night and danced and danced, they showed no sign of boredom and were even going to be taken into the residents' bar after but were stopped by stopped.

Three people came up to me to ask where my children were and I said that they wanted a child-free wedding. They did not make any comments. In conversation with people I had never met before children and child care came up and one of these women when she realised how I was related did say it was unusual for them not to have been invited.

My husband's uncle is married to an Irish woman and when my mother-in-law was sitting on a terrace after dinner her sister-in-law did say that the bride had shown her the flower girl dresses on her phone at a BBQ and she had assumed that they were for our girls and MiL did start crying; it was discrete and lots of people are emotional at weddings.

In my original post I seemed to suggest that I was criticising them for not having a Rehearsal Dinner; I was merely responding that we are English and there was therefore no opportunity for my husband to know who was in the wedding party prior to the actual day.

I have always been nice to the bride who is a medic too so we bond over that kind of chat.

We all behaved superbly and will not ever mention our children lack of invitation again.

It was painful to me when people suggested that my children were 'brats'; they are not and at eight and four are similar ages to the flower girls.

I hope I have clarified a few things for people who cared.

OP posts:
SuperPets · 09/08/2022 12:57

I still have no idea why you were so dramatic, talking about vomiting and stress and exclusion.

The only kids invited were in the weddign party. It's totally normal. You massively over reacted

Bonheurdupasse · 09/08/2022 13:02

Bloody hell - your MIL actually cried about it at the wedding?!

Kite22 · 09/08/2022 13:06

Appreciate you coming back to update the thread, OP

In my original post I seemed to suggest that I was criticising them for not having a Rehearsal Dinner; I was merely responding that we are English and there was therefore no opportunity for my husband to know who was in the wedding party prior to the actual day.

Well, except that old fashioned thing called chatting to people.
Not only as his brother, but also as his best man, you'd surely have had conversations about the plans.
Plus, every wedding I have been involved in has some sort of rehearsal a couple of days beforehand to make sure the key players know where to stand / how long it takes to walk down the aisle / where people will then sit / what people will be asked to do and say and when / etc.

LadyDanburysCane · 09/08/2022 13:16

Plus, every wedding I have been involved in has some sort of rehearsal a couple of days beforehand to make sure the key players know where to stand / how long it takes to walk down the aisle / where people will then sit / what people will be asked to do and say and when / etc.

I’ve been a bridesmaid/ MOH several times, I’ve done readings at three weddings, DH has been best man twice, I’ve got married once - NEVER known of any form of rehearsal ……..

Kite22 · 09/08/2022 13:25

Oh! How strange.
I love MN for learning how differently things happen for different people Smile

Seems odd (to me) that people would just rock up to a day that is so meticulously planned in so many ways, without any sort of run through though.

Not, of course that this means arrangements / plans wouldn't have come up in conversation when you are close to the couple getting married Smile

DappledThings · 09/08/2022 13:31

LadyDanburysCane · 09/08/2022 13:16

Plus, every wedding I have been involved in has some sort of rehearsal a couple of days beforehand to make sure the key players know where to stand / how long it takes to walk down the aisle / where people will then sit / what people will be asked to do and say and when / etc.

I’ve been a bridesmaid/ MOH several times, I’ve done readings at three weddings, DH has been best man twice, I’ve got married once - NEVER known of any form of rehearsal ……..

Rehearsals are standard for a church wedding but it's a quick run through. Not a big social event with a dinner like it is in the US.

We only had purselves though, not any of the wedding party.

HoppingPavlova · 09/08/2022 13:37

@Harrishoole Flower girls traditionally come from the brides side. They don’t have to be direct nieces of the bride, just from the brides side. Given there were flower girls it was obviously a traditional wedding, so why would your MIL assume the flower girls would be from the grooms side instead, that’s odd? Sure, if someone wanted flower girls desperately and didn’t know any young girls on her end then they would search further afield but that’s not the case here.

So, as it turns out it was indeed a child free wedding in terms of wedding guests.

LadyDanburysCane · 09/08/2022 14:19

DappledThings · 09/08/2022 13:31

Rehearsals are standard for a church wedding but it's a quick run through. Not a big social event with a dinner like it is in the US.

We only had purselves though, not any of the wedding party.

I’ve only been to two non church weddings all the others have been in churches (mainly RC or CofE but a couple of URC as well). We did have pre marriage lessons (Roman Catholic) ourselves but no run through. I went to meet with the priest who was doing one of the services where I was reading but he just wanted to make sure I was comfortable with what I was reading, and procedure on approaching the altar etc.; he was happy once I told him I was a regular reader at my own church.

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