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TeaFiend100 · 04/08/2022 19:43

Woke up this morning to text from boyfriend of 6 months saying I'd upset him with a (goodnatured) little ribbing last night about him spelling something wrong. Said he felt patronised, and that he's 'good at spelling' so it especially annoyed him. I tried to call him and he didn't answer, sent a text saying sorry, acknowledging he had the right to feel that way and saying I wouldn't have ribbed him if his spelling was actually ever an issue. I said I loved and respected him, and wanted to chat through in person. Tried calling again, no answer.

He then sends me a long text saying he's finding the way I talk about money a lot 'unattractive', that he feels I've 'lost sense of reality' because I earn more than the general population does (I'm London based though) and I'm still worried about money (I'd been talking about budgeting the night before as we were going to move in together in September, and I'm generally finding money hard at the mo as have taken a 50% paycut for a job with better longterm prospects than my last), and that I must think he 'shouldn't bother getting out of bed each morning' because of his wage (I earn double the amount he does). He also called me a 'plastic liberal'.

I felt really attacked, and disliked, and I said that over text, and that he should think about whether or not he actually does want to move in with me or not, or even be together, as it doesn't feel like it. He has expressed being insecure about earning less than me a few times, and money DOES come up a lot in our relationship (just as much led by him as it's this weird elephant in the room - it's not come up for me in other relationships so it's not just me) and I have done SO much to reassure him I don't care he earns less, there's different ways of bringing value to a relationship etc. I have said in the future I would see our money as OUR money, not mine vs his, etc to make him feel better and like it's on the same team.

He also can be bitter about his place in life, lack of career (he works quite a menial job in his late 30s), blaming his parents or having a go at 'people with deskjobs' (I have a deskjob!). Again I've been nothing but supportive, telling him I'm proud of him and would support him to retrain in the future if we wants as that's what couples do - they're a team.

Anyway he called, apologised, and we talked for a bit and he agreed he shouldn't have texted that and should have instead thought about what he needed from me (ie talk less about money) and then to me calmly to discuss it. I said it felt like sometimes he was bitter and it was affecting his behaviour, and he said 'oh women, they always like to call men bitter. Fuck off' and put the phone down.

He then instantly called back and apologised. I was very upset. I was honest with him that I felt I needed to walk on eggshells around him in the sense of it's really obvious he is very insecure about his status, and that I didn't like that he criticised people, bringing them down to make himself better, and had now done it to me. I said he hardly ever actually builds me up, or says he's proud of me (and I've worked HARD to have a house on my own in London, I grew up on a council estate, parents have no money and I've put myself through one of the best unis in the country etc all without any financial or other kind of support (I come from a very dysfunctional family). He knows this yet he seems to put me in the same box as all of the 'middle class' entitled people he criticises alot). That I feel I need to play down and pander to him.

He said he was glad I had said that, that he hadn't realised, and that he can see my point. He said he had been a dick, and that he was really sorry. That he had been feeling awful this morning and shouldn't have taken it out on me. He admitted he thinks he's pushing me away because he doesnt think he deserves me, that his friends say things like 'how did you manage that?' when he tells them about me / my achievements, but that he hadn't realised he never tells me how lucky he feels (I sometimes have to ask him for reassurance or praise). I asked him if he wants to be with me, and he said yes, and that he loves me, and that he 'just wants me to be happy' (I think this was code for 'I worry I won't make you happy and maybe breaking up now will mean I won't disappoint you further').

I said I needed some time, and he said he understood. He hasn't been in touch in since we chatted at 1pm, and I wish he had at least texted to say he was really sorry. I imagine he feels ashamed.

The thing is, I'm about to be 38 and want a child. I have been dating for years, and had several boyfriends who are just not right, or don't want kids on the same timeline, or have issues, etc etc. Some of these people had lots of money, but with this guy I chose him for what I thought were the same values and was fine with the idea that we would never be well off and I would just have to work harder (freelance work on top of full time job) to bring money in when needed, as I am lucky enough to be able to do that. We had been planning a future together, which I feel very invested, and I feel so hurt that he's said all this. I don't like his immature approach to conflict, I don't like the swearing and name calling, and I don't like the fact he takes out insecurities on me.

He has acknowledged these are his issues though. So maybe there's hope?

Obviously there are loads of good things about this man that it would take ages to list. I felt like I'd found someone who got me in ways others find hard to, we generally have a lovely time together and he's always made me feel very safe, unlike lots of other guys. He is very emotionally available usually, always there for me and generally good at talking things through. There have been no major conflicts other than this.

WWYD?

OP posts:
greatblueheron · 06/08/2022 11:16

Dealbreaker.

You don't want to marry or co parent with this man. You really don't.

Look into having a child on your own. I know someone who has done this, she's now had 2, and is perfectly happy with her decision and life. And you, frankly, are better placed financially to go it alone by the sound of it.

PlanetNormal · 06/08/2022 11:21

Over the last 20+ years, DP and I have had our ups and downs like any couple in a long term relationship. But he has never, ever told me to ‘fuck off’. Not once. And I have never said anything of the sort to him, and never would. If he ever did, I would dump him, and that is what you should do, OP, to this pathetic insecure little loser.

I6344 · 06/08/2022 11:24

Deep down, is this really someone you would like to be the father of your future children? What happens when he is not feeling well around them? Will he tell them to fuck off and be nasty to them? He sounds very insecure and aggressive but quite frankly that isn't your problem. You've only been together 6 months and he is already showing multiple red flags. I can guarantee it will get worse as time goes on.

I6344 · 06/08/2022 11:27

Sorry I hadn't read the full thread. Did you break up with him last night?

HikingforScenery · 06/08/2022 11:37

This sounds like a business deal tbh.
You sound like you feel you’ve settled. He must sense it too.
His behaviour would raise red flags for me tbh

TeaFiend100 · 06/08/2022 12:18

Oh my god.. just drafted a really long message and then something happened and lost it!! Thanks for those checking in. Am just about to go into Pilates class but will update later x

OP posts:
TeaFiend100 · 06/08/2022 14:48

Thank you everyone for your comments and experiences. I know I’m going to get flamed for even wavering over this, but I am going to take some time to think after last night.

He said all the right things, in that he admitted that what he did was abusive, immature and 100% driven by his insecurities. He recognises swearing is an absolute boundary for me and deeply regrets what he did and the way he made me feel. There was no excusing or minimising of my feelings and he understands my need to take some time as he knows I deserve a lot better.

In terms of the insecurities, he said he gets triggered when I say I worry about not saving enough money as it makes him worry what he earns isn’t enough (I don’t really care what he earns) and that he worries for my mental health and feels I have the weight of the world on my shoulders when I should be enjoying a healthy salary, not doing freelance work on my side and grinding myself down (to be fair a few friends have said this to me too, and I have made the decision to stop as it isn’t good for my health and I do earn enough to get buy and put a little extra into the mortgage each month).

He said he wants us to feel like a team and that he can contribute financially to take some of my worries away, and when I talk about my finances in a way that portrays I’ll always have to be planning for kids etc on my own (my default position as I had resigned myself to it if I didn’t find the right person to have them with) he feels like he’s entirely redundant. It’s true, I do always assume he’ll contribute nothing as I’m so used to doing things on my own when he always makes a point of being generous and paying for things etc. He also realises it’s early to be thinking like that but would want that for our future.

As to the ‘women always’ stuff he totally admits it was a misogynist comment and actively wants to tackle this. He said that he knows he’s probably picked up some shitty attitudes from growing up where he did and the job he does (I would definitely agree he hasn’t been exposed to a fraction of the education around this I’ve had) and that he really does want to let all of that go. To be fair to him, we regularly have conversations about feminist issues and he is always on my side and points stuff out himself when it’s not okay on tv or in general culture etc. I’ve noticed he’s been reading more stuff about patriarchy etc and educating himself since we got together, and I do think that’s a really good sign that he can improve, but obviously it doesn’t mitigate the fact he said something really toxic.

On being bitter about his ex, I probably didn’t paint the whole picture. He’s generally really nice about her and open about their time together. It seems they had a generally nice relationship, but he says when they argued they did swear at eachother (he had mentioned this before so I know he’s not making it up) and he now knows this is not the way I roll. The only thing he has expressed regret about is moving to London for her, but he’s also said he couldn’t go back because he loves London so it’s not a simple one.

To the people saying he’d leave me alone to do housework etc, I really don’t think that
the case. He loves making himself useful and doing housework and diy for me. He clearly gets a kick from helping me out. Almost the first thing he does at mine when he arrives is my washing up because he says he enjoys it. He is also very happy to be a sahd if it was best for finances, and admitted last night that for him being a dad has always been his only real ambition. He felt ashamed to admit that but tbh it’s attractive to me because I am quite ambitious and type a and I probably prefer men that aren’t the same as me. I like someone who is homely and chilled, like him.

He also knows that retraining in something would be good for his self esteem. He did start a degree in mental health nursing but stopped during the pandemic as he just found it too lonely doing it from a bedroom in a city he didn’t know. He has successfully volunteered for St. John’s ambulance for quite a while and has a nurturing, gentle quality and is good in a crisis.
He admits dropping out really affected his self esteem and he needs to think again about next steps and not let lack of confidence get in the way.

To the person who said this sounds like a business transaction, if I saw it that way I would have settled for one of the many men I’ve dated with lots of money. I decided to date according to my values and emotional needs and that’s why I love this man. He is generally soft and gentle with me, good when I’m having anxious moments (very rare I’ve found) and has generally made me feel totally accepted. I have found myself feeling like I need to be sensitive around money stuff (ie the walking on eggshells comment) but I don’t mean every day, just around that issue as I know he worries he’s not good enough on that front.

He seemed to finally hear last night that I genuinely don’t mind what he earns and that that’s not why I decided to date him - it was for who he was. He said he’s got so used to being judged for his job (ie women deleting him on dating apps when they find out what it is) he has learned to be ashamed of it. I do believe him on that. I have seen people try and hide their surprise when he tells them what he does as he doesn’t come across as typical of the industry.

Anyway, sorry, I’m going on. Just trying to paint a fuller picture. I’m going to see how I feel in a week or so. I did come out of the conversation feeling heard, and really loved. But I also know that if I decide to give it a go moving in is off the table (it was me that bought it up in the first place anyway) and it’s a two strikes and you’re out situation. He seems terrified of losing me but also fully prepared to let me go if that’s what I feel is right for me which leaves me feeling unpressurised either way from him.

I hope I don’t get too much of a flaming as I don’t want to feel I can’t come back here. I know how many women have been abusive situations and am on hyper alert for it hence posting at the first sign he might be a shit. If I do decide to give him another go, I won’t be posting again, I’ll be dumping him. But I do need to have a think and make sure I’m doing what feels right for me.

OP posts:
billy1966 · 06/08/2022 15:09

OP,

You are a bright young woman who deserves the best.

You were brave to post and you have been given anonymous views a plenty.

Many have spelt out their views on him but of course the decision is yours to make.

I wish you the very best and hope you will post again should you feel the need to.

Good luck.

TeaFiend100 · 06/08/2022 15:12

And by the way. This def doesn’t mean I will get back with him! Just that I need to think. I think a bit of space will help my feelings settle down so I can realise how I truly feel as aware at the mo it’s still very fresh and a part of me will obviously want to just pretend it never happened and go back to normal as a self protection mechanism.

OP posts:
Snoredoeurve · 06/08/2022 15:21

This is 6 months in.

Read your post
He was awful to you and yet its all about him his feelings and needs.
What a surprise.

Women are not therapy centres for men.

TeaFiend100 · 06/08/2022 15:54

And of course it’s at this very moment that a hot banker that I went on one date with before this guy texts to check im still seeing someone as he would love to see me again! Almost tempted but I won’t do anything until this decision is made.

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stillherenow · 06/08/2022 17:18

OP just remember "hoovering ".

Look back on this thread in time if you need to. I think I started quite a few threads over some years before leaving .

Just make sure if you have a child that you have an escape plan - keep your money separate and don't give up your home, if you move somewhere new make sure it is in your name. Don't get married unless all the doubts have gone.

Read all you can about narcissism . The freedom programme have a good animated film on their site which made my blood run cold it was so accurate.

Starlight2021 · 06/08/2022 17:38

eh needlessly rude! Why bother adding that in to your response, just to have a pop at someone
ffs 🙄

Starlight2021 · 06/08/2022 17:41

Starlight2021 · 06/08/2022 17:38

eh needlessly rude! Why bother adding that in to your response, just to have a pop at someone
ffs 🙄

That was aimed at pp who was needlessly rude to op….

Isthisit22 · 06/08/2022 17:43

Yes he's said all the right things but your huge post listing as at least 3 major issues he's going to work on shows that he is just not worth it. He's a dud. You deserve better than someone with so many terrible characteristics.

moistmingemist · 06/08/2022 18:44

Dump and run.

Have baby on your own.

Enjoy some fun with hot banker 😉

FirstAidKitNowPlease · 06/08/2022 18:46

TeaFiend100 · 06/08/2022 15:54

And of course it’s at this very moment that a hot banker that I went on one date with before this guy texts to check im still seeing someone as he would love to see me again! Almost tempted but I won’t do anything until this decision is made.

Go on the date with the hot banker !

Murdoch1949 · 06/08/2022 18:53

This man is not for you. Nothing to do with his salary/job, all to do with his treatment of you. This will only worsen when living together, having children etc. He resents you, his hang up, this will travel with him. He does not respect nor love you. If he loved you he would celebrate your achievements. Move on. NOW. You haven't got time to waste.

georgarina · 06/08/2022 18:57

He sounds toxically jealous and insecure.

He will try to put you down to make himself feel better.
Never support you.
Make you doubt yourself.
Be paranoid and accuse you of belittling him when you haven't.
Never be proud of your achievements/make you feel bad or guilty about them.

Thank God he let you know who he is before moving in.

georgarina · 06/08/2022 18:58

You deserve someone on your wavelength who will lift you up, not drag you down.

Good luck!

RenegadeMatron · 06/08/2022 19:07

Oh, gosh OP.

I am seeing your situation down the line, with children added to the mix.

He is at home, responsible for child care and the home. It’s very common for women to resent men in this situation - men get to carry on as before, getting out of the house, working, socialising, earning money. While the woman is stuck at home with the relentless, Groundhog Day drudgery of childrearing and pot scrubbing (clearly child-rearing isn’t all dire, but it is hard a lot of the time in the early days/years, and nobody but nobody can prepare you for it).

If you think this isn’t going to make him more bitter and insecure, I think you are sadly mistaken.

You say he is very keen to be SAHM dad and house husband. I’m sure he is, in theory.

But given what you’ve written about it, I strongly suspect the reality is that it will make him 10 x more resentful. He ‘enjoys washing up’? That’s so clearly a hoovering comment, it might as well be in flashing neon. No-one enjoys washing up, but if it’s the case that he genuinely does - great - he’s going to be doing a lot of it. And resenting you for it.

And he won’t even have the one beacon of light that helps mothers get through it all, which is the network of other mothers - because so few men are SAHDs.

Good luck with your decision making. You’ve got a lot to think about. It’s your life to live, so live it well. Flowers

Sellie555 · 06/08/2022 19:09

Oh my god please no, not another ‘victim’ (him not you!!) I have met so many men like this during my years of dating, it doesn’t get any better so run run run

RenegadeMatron · 06/08/2022 19:11

And, for the avoidance of doubt, I’m not saying men shouldn’t be SAHDs. At all.

I’m saying this particular man being a SAHD is a recipe for disaster.

billy1966 · 06/08/2022 19:20

RenegadeMatron · 06/08/2022 19:07

Oh, gosh OP.

I am seeing your situation down the line, with children added to the mix.

He is at home, responsible for child care and the home. It’s very common for women to resent men in this situation - men get to carry on as before, getting out of the house, working, socialising, earning money. While the woman is stuck at home with the relentless, Groundhog Day drudgery of childrearing and pot scrubbing (clearly child-rearing isn’t all dire, but it is hard a lot of the time in the early days/years, and nobody but nobody can prepare you for it).

If you think this isn’t going to make him more bitter and insecure, I think you are sadly mistaken.

You say he is very keen to be SAHM dad and house husband. I’m sure he is, in theory.

But given what you’ve written about it, I strongly suspect the reality is that it will make him 10 x more resentful. He ‘enjoys washing up’? That’s so clearly a hoovering comment, it might as well be in flashing neon. No-one enjoys washing up, but if it’s the case that he genuinely does - great - he’s going to be doing a lot of it. And resenting you for it.

And he won’t even have the one beacon of light that helps mothers get through it all, which is the network of other mothers - because so few men are SAHDs.

Good luck with your decision making. You’ve got a lot to think about. It’s your life to live, so live it well. Flowers

So agree with this.

He has SO MANY ISSUES.

He feels emasculated already, being a successful SAHD is only for the most confident of men.

Go on the date with the hot banker OP.

Projects are exhausting, and he is more a lost cause.

stillherenow · 06/08/2022 19:46

Starlight2021 · 06/08/2022 17:38

eh needlessly rude! Why bother adding that in to your response, just to have a pop at someone
ffs 🙄

Was this to me? Surely not ?