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TeaFiend100 · 04/08/2022 19:43

Woke up this morning to text from boyfriend of 6 months saying I'd upset him with a (goodnatured) little ribbing last night about him spelling something wrong. Said he felt patronised, and that he's 'good at spelling' so it especially annoyed him. I tried to call him and he didn't answer, sent a text saying sorry, acknowledging he had the right to feel that way and saying I wouldn't have ribbed him if his spelling was actually ever an issue. I said I loved and respected him, and wanted to chat through in person. Tried calling again, no answer.

He then sends me a long text saying he's finding the way I talk about money a lot 'unattractive', that he feels I've 'lost sense of reality' because I earn more than the general population does (I'm London based though) and I'm still worried about money (I'd been talking about budgeting the night before as we were going to move in together in September, and I'm generally finding money hard at the mo as have taken a 50% paycut for a job with better longterm prospects than my last), and that I must think he 'shouldn't bother getting out of bed each morning' because of his wage (I earn double the amount he does). He also called me a 'plastic liberal'.

I felt really attacked, and disliked, and I said that over text, and that he should think about whether or not he actually does want to move in with me or not, or even be together, as it doesn't feel like it. He has expressed being insecure about earning less than me a few times, and money DOES come up a lot in our relationship (just as much led by him as it's this weird elephant in the room - it's not come up for me in other relationships so it's not just me) and I have done SO much to reassure him I don't care he earns less, there's different ways of bringing value to a relationship etc. I have said in the future I would see our money as OUR money, not mine vs his, etc to make him feel better and like it's on the same team.

He also can be bitter about his place in life, lack of career (he works quite a menial job in his late 30s), blaming his parents or having a go at 'people with deskjobs' (I have a deskjob!). Again I've been nothing but supportive, telling him I'm proud of him and would support him to retrain in the future if we wants as that's what couples do - they're a team.

Anyway he called, apologised, and we talked for a bit and he agreed he shouldn't have texted that and should have instead thought about what he needed from me (ie talk less about money) and then to me calmly to discuss it. I said it felt like sometimes he was bitter and it was affecting his behaviour, and he said 'oh women, they always like to call men bitter. Fuck off' and put the phone down.

He then instantly called back and apologised. I was very upset. I was honest with him that I felt I needed to walk on eggshells around him in the sense of it's really obvious he is very insecure about his status, and that I didn't like that he criticised people, bringing them down to make himself better, and had now done it to me. I said he hardly ever actually builds me up, or says he's proud of me (and I've worked HARD to have a house on my own in London, I grew up on a council estate, parents have no money and I've put myself through one of the best unis in the country etc all without any financial or other kind of support (I come from a very dysfunctional family). He knows this yet he seems to put me in the same box as all of the 'middle class' entitled people he criticises alot). That I feel I need to play down and pander to him.

He said he was glad I had said that, that he hadn't realised, and that he can see my point. He said he had been a dick, and that he was really sorry. That he had been feeling awful this morning and shouldn't have taken it out on me. He admitted he thinks he's pushing me away because he doesnt think he deserves me, that his friends say things like 'how did you manage that?' when he tells them about me / my achievements, but that he hadn't realised he never tells me how lucky he feels (I sometimes have to ask him for reassurance or praise). I asked him if he wants to be with me, and he said yes, and that he loves me, and that he 'just wants me to be happy' (I think this was code for 'I worry I won't make you happy and maybe breaking up now will mean I won't disappoint you further').

I said I needed some time, and he said he understood. He hasn't been in touch in since we chatted at 1pm, and I wish he had at least texted to say he was really sorry. I imagine he feels ashamed.

The thing is, I'm about to be 38 and want a child. I have been dating for years, and had several boyfriends who are just not right, or don't want kids on the same timeline, or have issues, etc etc. Some of these people had lots of money, but with this guy I chose him for what I thought were the same values and was fine with the idea that we would never be well off and I would just have to work harder (freelance work on top of full time job) to bring money in when needed, as I am lucky enough to be able to do that. We had been planning a future together, which I feel very invested, and I feel so hurt that he's said all this. I don't like his immature approach to conflict, I don't like the swearing and name calling, and I don't like the fact he takes out insecurities on me.

He has acknowledged these are his issues though. So maybe there's hope?

Obviously there are loads of good things about this man that it would take ages to list. I felt like I'd found someone who got me in ways others find hard to, we generally have a lovely time together and he's always made me feel very safe, unlike lots of other guys. He is very emotionally available usually, always there for me and generally good at talking things through. There have been no major conflicts other than this.

WWYD?

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NovaDeltas · 22/08/2022 19:10

He sounds like a bitter little weakling who will make an appalling father and an exceptionally vile post-divorce co-parent.

He is so envious of your success he can't even contain himself.

Pathetic little man. You're well rid.

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Burm · 22/08/2022 19:06

Wonder if OP did go on that date with hot banker?

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Samson7 · 22/08/2022 17:52

Had to reply to this
I had one of these a couple of years ago
When he found out my promotion salary it was the end of it

I am like you and grew up on council estate with nothing and worked three jobs during University - I was put into 'rich bitch' category by him. He would shout 'money' at me each time I walked into a room and constantly made comments about me sailing on my yaucht in France. It was pathetic. Relationship ended and I was relieved.

I am actually starting to think it could be the same guy as this is so uncanny. Does his name begin with a T?

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ThinkingaboutLangClegosaurus · 22/08/2022 08:09

curiouslypacific · 04/08/2022 20:40

This man is following the script for being abusive. He'll be nice to you for a little while now so you think he's changed. Then he'll find some other reason to take issue with you, probably over something entirely trivial, just to keep you off balance. One day you'll wake up and realise you're always on edge, watching what you say and do so as not to upset him. That you can never relax in your own house; that whatever you do, it's never quite enough to make him happy. Even worse you'll watch your kids grow up tiptoeing around daddy, fearful and trying not to upset him - learning that their needs are secondary to those of an angry insecure man.

This.

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VikingVan · 22/08/2022 08:01

Bin him, delete him from phone social media etc. Do a meditation to get rid of the negative energy and move on, he has taught you a valuable lesson to avoid someone like him in the future so just give thanks for that.

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PrincessRd · 07/08/2022 19:53

Yeah that’s a bit shit

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Flowerpower2022 · 07/08/2022 19:52

I wouldn’t break up with him without more discussion about what’s gone wrong. I certainly wouldn’t let what mumsnet thinks sway you. Where you might want to apply the brakes is on moving in together. It doesn’t sound like either of you are ready for that step.

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Softplayhooray · 07/08/2022 19:43

Anonymous48 · 04/08/2022 19:52

I agree with the PP. I would no longer be with a man who thought saying "Fuck off" on the phone and then hanging up is acceptable. The rest of your long story is irrelevant.

I didn't even get to the fuck off.part before thinking you have to bin the guy immediately! He's AWFUL. And my God don't have a kid with this man.

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pictish · 07/08/2022 19:18

Oooh so he’s a toxic project with loads of issues to work on. Sexy!

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stillherenow · 06/08/2022 19:46

Starlight2021 · 06/08/2022 17:38

eh needlessly rude! Why bother adding that in to your response, just to have a pop at someone
ffs 🙄

Was this to me? Surely not ?

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billy1966 · 06/08/2022 19:20

RenegadeMatron · 06/08/2022 19:07

Oh, gosh OP.

I am seeing your situation down the line, with children added to the mix.

He is at home, responsible for child care and the home. It’s very common for women to resent men in this situation - men get to carry on as before, getting out of the house, working, socialising, earning money. While the woman is stuck at home with the relentless, Groundhog Day drudgery of childrearing and pot scrubbing (clearly child-rearing isn’t all dire, but it is hard a lot of the time in the early days/years, and nobody but nobody can prepare you for it).

If you think this isn’t going to make him more bitter and insecure, I think you are sadly mistaken.

You say he is very keen to be SAHM dad and house husband. I’m sure he is, in theory.

But given what you’ve written about it, I strongly suspect the reality is that it will make him 10 x more resentful. He ‘enjoys washing up’? That’s so clearly a hoovering comment, it might as well be in flashing neon. No-one enjoys washing up, but if it’s the case that he genuinely does - great - he’s going to be doing a lot of it. And resenting you for it.

And he won’t even have the one beacon of light that helps mothers get through it all, which is the network of other mothers - because so few men are SAHDs.

Good luck with your decision making. You’ve got a lot to think about. It’s your life to live, so live it well. Flowers

So agree with this.

He has SO MANY ISSUES.

He feels emasculated already, being a successful SAHD is only for the most confident of men.

Go on the date with the hot banker OP.

Projects are exhausting, and he is more a lost cause.

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RenegadeMatron · 06/08/2022 19:11

And, for the avoidance of doubt, I’m not saying men shouldn’t be SAHDs. At all.

I’m saying this particular man being a SAHD is a recipe for disaster.

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Sellie555 · 06/08/2022 19:09

Oh my god please no, not another ‘victim’ (him not you!!) I have met so many men like this during my years of dating, it doesn’t get any better so run run run

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RenegadeMatron · 06/08/2022 19:07

Oh, gosh OP.

I am seeing your situation down the line, with children added to the mix.

He is at home, responsible for child care and the home. It’s very common for women to resent men in this situation - men get to carry on as before, getting out of the house, working, socialising, earning money. While the woman is stuck at home with the relentless, Groundhog Day drudgery of childrearing and pot scrubbing (clearly child-rearing isn’t all dire, but it is hard a lot of the time in the early days/years, and nobody but nobody can prepare you for it).

If you think this isn’t going to make him more bitter and insecure, I think you are sadly mistaken.

You say he is very keen to be SAHM dad and house husband. I’m sure he is, in theory.

But given what you’ve written about it, I strongly suspect the reality is that it will make him 10 x more resentful. He ‘enjoys washing up’? That’s so clearly a hoovering comment, it might as well be in flashing neon. No-one enjoys washing up, but if it’s the case that he genuinely does - great - he’s going to be doing a lot of it. And resenting you for it.

And he won’t even have the one beacon of light that helps mothers get through it all, which is the network of other mothers - because so few men are SAHDs.

Good luck with your decision making. You’ve got a lot to think about. It’s your life to live, so live it well. Flowers

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georgarina · 06/08/2022 18:58

You deserve someone on your wavelength who will lift you up, not drag you down.

Good luck!

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georgarina · 06/08/2022 18:57

He sounds toxically jealous and insecure.

He will try to put you down to make himself feel better.
Never support you.
Make you doubt yourself.
Be paranoid and accuse you of belittling him when you haven't.
Never be proud of your achievements/make you feel bad or guilty about them.

Thank God he let you know who he is before moving in.

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Murdoch1949 · 06/08/2022 18:53

This man is not for you. Nothing to do with his salary/job, all to do with his treatment of you. This will only worsen when living together, having children etc. He resents you, his hang up, this will travel with him. He does not respect nor love you. If he loved you he would celebrate your achievements. Move on. NOW. You haven't got time to waste.

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FirstAidKitNowPlease · 06/08/2022 18:46

TeaFiend100 · 06/08/2022 15:54

And of course it’s at this very moment that a hot banker that I went on one date with before this guy texts to check im still seeing someone as he would love to see me again! Almost tempted but I won’t do anything until this decision is made.

Go on the date with the hot banker !

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moistmingemist · 06/08/2022 18:44

Dump and run.

Have baby on your own.

Enjoy some fun with hot banker 😉

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Isthisit22 · 06/08/2022 17:43

Yes he's said all the right things but your huge post listing as at least 3 major issues he's going to work on shows that he is just not worth it. He's a dud. You deserve better than someone with so many terrible characteristics.

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Starlight2021 · 06/08/2022 17:41

Starlight2021 · 06/08/2022 17:38

eh needlessly rude! Why bother adding that in to your response, just to have a pop at someone
ffs 🙄

That was aimed at pp who was needlessly rude to op….

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Starlight2021 · 06/08/2022 17:38

eh needlessly rude! Why bother adding that in to your response, just to have a pop at someone
ffs 🙄

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stillherenow · 06/08/2022 17:18

OP just remember "hoovering ".

Look back on this thread in time if you need to. I think I started quite a few threads over some years before leaving .

Just make sure if you have a child that you have an escape plan - keep your money separate and don't give up your home, if you move somewhere new make sure it is in your name. Don't get married unless all the doubts have gone.

Read all you can about narcissism . The freedom programme have a good animated film on their site which made my blood run cold it was so accurate.

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TeaFiend100 · 06/08/2022 15:54

And of course it’s at this very moment that a hot banker that I went on one date with before this guy texts to check im still seeing someone as he would love to see me again! Almost tempted but I won’t do anything until this decision is made.

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Snoredoeurve · 06/08/2022 15:21

This is 6 months in.

Read your post
He was awful to you and yet its all about him his feelings and needs.
What a surprise.

Women are not therapy centres for men.

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