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To ask if this is a dealbreaker

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TeaFiend100 · 04/08/2022 19:43

Woke up this morning to text from boyfriend of 6 months saying I'd upset him with a (goodnatured) little ribbing last night about him spelling something wrong. Said he felt patronised, and that he's 'good at spelling' so it especially annoyed him. I tried to call him and he didn't answer, sent a text saying sorry, acknowledging he had the right to feel that way and saying I wouldn't have ribbed him if his spelling was actually ever an issue. I said I loved and respected him, and wanted to chat through in person. Tried calling again, no answer.

He then sends me a long text saying he's finding the way I talk about money a lot 'unattractive', that he feels I've 'lost sense of reality' because I earn more than the general population does (I'm London based though) and I'm still worried about money (I'd been talking about budgeting the night before as we were going to move in together in September, and I'm generally finding money hard at the mo as have taken a 50% paycut for a job with better longterm prospects than my last), and that I must think he 'shouldn't bother getting out of bed each morning' because of his wage (I earn double the amount he does). He also called me a 'plastic liberal'.

I felt really attacked, and disliked, and I said that over text, and that he should think about whether or not he actually does want to move in with me or not, or even be together, as it doesn't feel like it. He has expressed being insecure about earning less than me a few times, and money DOES come up a lot in our relationship (just as much led by him as it's this weird elephant in the room - it's not come up for me in other relationships so it's not just me) and I have done SO much to reassure him I don't care he earns less, there's different ways of bringing value to a relationship etc. I have said in the future I would see our money as OUR money, not mine vs his, etc to make him feel better and like it's on the same team.

He also can be bitter about his place in life, lack of career (he works quite a menial job in his late 30s), blaming his parents or having a go at 'people with deskjobs' (I have a deskjob!). Again I've been nothing but supportive, telling him I'm proud of him and would support him to retrain in the future if we wants as that's what couples do - they're a team.

Anyway he called, apologised, and we talked for a bit and he agreed he shouldn't have texted that and should have instead thought about what he needed from me (ie talk less about money) and then to me calmly to discuss it. I said it felt like sometimes he was bitter and it was affecting his behaviour, and he said 'oh women, they always like to call men bitter. Fuck off' and put the phone down.

He then instantly called back and apologised. I was very upset. I was honest with him that I felt I needed to walk on eggshells around him in the sense of it's really obvious he is very insecure about his status, and that I didn't like that he criticised people, bringing them down to make himself better, and had now done it to me. I said he hardly ever actually builds me up, or says he's proud of me (and I've worked HARD to have a house on my own in London, I grew up on a council estate, parents have no money and I've put myself through one of the best unis in the country etc all without any financial or other kind of support (I come from a very dysfunctional family). He knows this yet he seems to put me in the same box as all of the 'middle class' entitled people he criticises alot). That I feel I need to play down and pander to him.

He said he was glad I had said that, that he hadn't realised, and that he can see my point. He said he had been a dick, and that he was really sorry. That he had been feeling awful this morning and shouldn't have taken it out on me. He admitted he thinks he's pushing me away because he doesnt think he deserves me, that his friends say things like 'how did you manage that?' when he tells them about me / my achievements, but that he hadn't realised he never tells me how lucky he feels (I sometimes have to ask him for reassurance or praise). I asked him if he wants to be with me, and he said yes, and that he loves me, and that he 'just wants me to be happy' (I think this was code for 'I worry I won't make you happy and maybe breaking up now will mean I won't disappoint you further').

I said I needed some time, and he said he understood. He hasn't been in touch in since we chatted at 1pm, and I wish he had at least texted to say he was really sorry. I imagine he feels ashamed.

The thing is, I'm about to be 38 and want a child. I have been dating for years, and had several boyfriends who are just not right, or don't want kids on the same timeline, or have issues, etc etc. Some of these people had lots of money, but with this guy I chose him for what I thought were the same values and was fine with the idea that we would never be well off and I would just have to work harder (freelance work on top of full time job) to bring money in when needed, as I am lucky enough to be able to do that. We had been planning a future together, which I feel very invested, and I feel so hurt that he's said all this. I don't like his immature approach to conflict, I don't like the swearing and name calling, and I don't like the fact he takes out insecurities on me.

He has acknowledged these are his issues though. So maybe there's hope?

Obviously there are loads of good things about this man that it would take ages to list. I felt like I'd found someone who got me in ways others find hard to, we generally have a lovely time together and he's always made me feel very safe, unlike lots of other guys. He is very emotionally available usually, always there for me and generally good at talking things through. There have been no major conflicts other than this.

WWYD?

OP posts:
SarahSissions · 04/08/2022 22:14

I’d give him the boot and look for a sperm donor.

ChagSameachDoreen · 04/08/2022 22:24

He sounds like a waste of space. You can do better.

Ohhhhladz · 04/08/2022 22:29

Itsnotallblackandwhite: OP, you’ve really latched on to @Ohhhhladz post which is worrying.

Just to add, I'm not arguing FOR staying with this guy. I'm just saying OP has asked for some time and so, if really unsure, might as well take it to think the relationship through, maybe talk in person. Don't be in the position of looking back six months from now wondering why you "let him go" or worse, getting pulled back in. If you're ready to walk away, it'll still be a wrench given the closeness that's developed over a short time, so be prepared to keep on walking and don't look back. And remember why you did even if you miss him.

Also adding: I 'd not live with him right now, definitely give that more time if you stay together.

Hopeandlove · 04/08/2022 22:29

Madamecastafiore · 04/08/2022 20:35

God. Text him immediately and thank him for opening your eyes to what a wanker he is before you did finally make the huge step to move in together and then block and get on with your life.

You could put that you obviously aren't well matched rather than call him a wanker if you really want to but girl you have had a lucky escape with this one.

This.

It’s 2022 have a baby on your own ivf and don’t look back

mumofone2019 · 04/08/2022 22:30

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TeaFiend100 · 04/08/2022 22:38

Thanks everyone, really appreciate your support and @Ohhhhladz I get what you're saying. Realistically I probably do need to talk it out with him to give myself a sense of closure as just abruptly finishing it would really do a number on me and be too much of a shock.

The sad thing is that despite what he did today, he IS really kind otherwise. He probably gives too much to people, in a way. And I know he's going to be heartbroken, and that this is going to serve to make him feel even worse about himself than he already does.

He has been quite down the past few weeks and saying he 'doesn't feel himself', and that he worries about what he brings to the table.I feel sad that he can't see it himself.

When we met he was fine; confident I thought, and really open in a way most men aren't. But I think being up close to me has made him compare himself to me financially and career-wise (and maybe friends too? I have a more busy social life) and finding himself lacking, and its fuelling his feelings.

On another slightly related note, where the hell do I find a man that isn't threatened by me? This is an ongoing issue. It almost makes me wish I hadn't gone to bloody Oxbridge and didn't own my house. I was told the week I met current bloke by another guy I went on two dates with 'I was intimidating' because I 'had my shit together'. Is the bar really that low for them? Where can I find a feminist man that actually likes me being relatively successful? (and again, it's not like I'm even that successful!!)

OP posts:
LilacSky95 · 04/08/2022 22:46

Do not have a child with this twat!

wherearebeefandonioncrisps · 04/08/2022 22:51

You're not compatible.

ChampagneLassie · 04/08/2022 22:53

I don't think it will work. I was in your position (38 and desperate for a child) but there just seems too many issues. If he was comfortable with himself you could discuss him being SAHD but he isn't but moreover he just doesn't seem to cherish and respect you but rather resent you. You should look for better or DIY

Thepeopleversuswork · 04/08/2022 22:54

LTB. He's jealous and bitter, at best self-absorbed and a drama queen, at worst abusive. Six months into a relationship and he's negging you, displaying abusive traits and putting you down for your achievements. Imagine what this would be like if you were the main breadwinner (which on present form you would be) and had children.

A relationship where a woman out-earns a man significantly can work but only if the man isn't threatened by this. I was married to someone who I out-earned by a factor of three to one and he couldn't deal with this. Imagine having to negotiate with him to get him to leave work early to pick a kid up from childcare and having him fly off the handle and give you some abuse about being privileged or some other nonsense. Your life will be hell. It's not worth it.

I understand the urge for a child etc but if this is what you want above all else you can go it alone. This man is a misogynist, is locked into cycles of negative behaviour, doesn't learn from them and turns his self-disgust back on you. You're asking for trouble procreating with him.

ManateeFair · 04/08/2022 22:59

OP, you should never, ever stay in a relationship with a man who resents you. It will not work. He shouldn’t be swearing at you or calling you names or making nasty digs about class and money. He didn’t just say these things from nowhere; he will continue to think them and say them. Do not settle for someone who isn’t right for you just because you’re 38.

FWIW I do think taking the piss out of his spelling was a bit dickish of you, but that doesn’t change anything I’ve said above. If he hasn’t said those things to you in response to that, he’d have said them in response to something else. You two are not a good long term match and certainly not a good prospect for co-parenting a child.

LuluBlakey1 · 04/08/2022 23:03

I couldn't be bothered with him.

allboysherebutme · 04/08/2022 23:12

Block him and move on, you've had a lucky escape. X

Discovereads · 04/08/2022 23:13

TeaFiend100 · 04/08/2022 20:02

I should clarify....YABU is 'give him one more chance, he's admitted he's wrong' and 'YANBU' is 'dump him'

One more chance?
I got the impression that you’d been together for 6 mos and this was your first row “There have been no major conflicts other than this.”

Well a row was going to happen sooner or later. The early years of a relationship aren’t like the Disney movies. Theres the occasional row. There’s learning how to communicate with each other.

Personally I don’t dump someone if we have the rare row. And to be honest, it wasn’t anything minor or silly, these are serious issues that you both need to work through. So in my book, it’s a quality row. Its probably the stress of an upcoming moving in together that’s triggered all the soul searching and self assessments.

Id keep talking to each other. You’ve both resolved a lot of the things that were bothering you. You’ve said there’s a really long list of good that more than balances this out. I wouldn’t dump for this myself.

AlviarinAesSedai · 04/08/2022 23:13

Dealbreaker. That chip on his shoulder is a bit heavy isn’t it. It’s only going to get heavier.

WineIsMyMainVice · 04/08/2022 23:26

Tania64 · 04/08/2022 20:16

I understand that you feel that your biological clock is ticking but having a child with this immature selfish man child is not the answer. I would end it & either look for someone more suitable or even possibly consider having a child alone.

Agree completely.
Good luck for the future op and I hope you meet someone deserving of you.

FictionalCharacter · 04/08/2022 23:30

I got the vote wrong, thought it was the other way round. Yes, dealbreaker. He has a nasty temper and resents you. If you had a child with him it could get very ugly because he’d have 2 people to get jealous of.

billy1966 · 04/08/2022 23:30

OP,

You sound like a bright woman who has somehow allowed nerves to put her in the path of a huge train.

He is an absolute disaster.

You wouldn't be pregnant 5 minutes and you would suddenly realise all the feelings you were ignoring in your gut, were a massive clusterfxxk of awfulness.

He doesn't even sound as if he likes you he is so consumed by his chip.

8 years on and he is STILL blaming the Ex?

Unbelievable.

Dump his ass and get some therapy.

You have come far too close to a really poor rushed decision.

Get some counselling and start listening to your gut more.

Thatboymum · 04/08/2022 23:39

The only thing I really have to comment on is that your said he didn’t text to say sorry after he had already said sorry On the actual call , I also picked up that to me you do seem a bit money orientated and seem to need praise for where you are in your life. The comment about supporting him if he wanted to retrain I would personally also take that as a dig that what I was wasn’t good enough and you thought I should do more/better to level with you.
as a whole tho I don’t think your compatible and think you will end up separating due to that, your both walking on eggshells shells letting things build up till it all comes out and it shouldn’t be that hard this soon In . I personally saw bad on both sides reading this

pastypirate · 04/08/2022 23:52

He is an odious man. 'Good at spelling' 😂

AchatAVendre · 04/08/2022 23:53

On another slightly related note, where the hell do I find a man that isn't threatened by me? This is an ongoing issue. It almost makes me wish I hadn't gone to bloody Oxbridge and didn't own my house. I was told the week I met current bloke by another guy I went on two dates with 'I was intimidating' because I 'had my shit together'. Is the bar really that low for them? Where can I find a feminist man that actually likes me being relatively successful? (and again, it's not like I'm even that successful!!)

Generally, the solution is to aim higher. Are you in touch with other Oxbridge graduates? Can you mix with more successful people, to use a slightly unfortunate phrase? I know quite a few Oxbridge educated people and lawyers, doctors and sort of Euro-wealthy types, and all the men are without exception with degree educated intelligent women who have or have had good jobs (and who might or might not work part time now in those fields) who are attractive but not always conventionally so. A man who is confident in himself and in his life choices is so much more fun to be with.

Minoloso · 05/08/2022 00:10

I don’t like how he hasn’t, at his age, started to own his past & his choices. He’s blaming his ex still for various things and now seemingly blaming you for ‘highlighting’ his failures. It’s not great. It shows a lack of growth emotionally & spiritually. He needs to accept who he is and why and evolve. This would put me off - his lack of maturity in these areas.

I’m a fair bit older than you and have met a lovely man - they are out there! Took me a while but you will meet someone you are more compatible with and who doesn’t neg you.

Six months really is a short time to be with someone but luckily you’ve seen this side to him - thankfully! I had my second child at 41, it can happen.

As an aside, Mumsnet does like a good old dumping, so don’t be hasty - but do trust your gut. Good luck.

Famousinlove · 05/08/2022 00:22

You will not have a successful relationship with this man, the sooner you throw him back the sooner you will find the right person for you

Cw122 · 05/08/2022 00:29

LizzieSiddal · 04/08/2022 19:49

I’ve only got to the bit where he tells you to “Fuck Off” and slams the phone down on you and don’t need to read anymore.

He sounds insecure, jealous and has a temper, and instead of congratulating you on your fantastic achievements, castigates you for being a “plastic liberal”. Bin him, you’ll be much happier.

This was where I got to as well. He's displaying manipulative and gas lighting behaviours and he clearly has issues with women. You are doing well in life and your partner should champion that and spur you on and be so proud of you. Not tear you down and take your successes as a personal challenge. If you're thinking seriously about moving on and having a child with this guy I'd be super wary because those are the types of behaviours that get worse rather than better over time and the more committed you are the harder it will be to leave if you need to. The whole thing gives me the ick I wouldn't want any of my friends to stay in a relationship where those things were happening. And I get the feeling that's maybe what your gut is telling you, you just know it'll be difficult scary and painful to follow through with. But something incredible could be just around the corner if you make the space for it.

Dobbyismyabsolutefav · 05/08/2022 00:35

Walk away OP.