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TeaFiend100 · 04/08/2022 19:43

Woke up this morning to text from boyfriend of 6 months saying I'd upset him with a (goodnatured) little ribbing last night about him spelling something wrong. Said he felt patronised, and that he's 'good at spelling' so it especially annoyed him. I tried to call him and he didn't answer, sent a text saying sorry, acknowledging he had the right to feel that way and saying I wouldn't have ribbed him if his spelling was actually ever an issue. I said I loved and respected him, and wanted to chat through in person. Tried calling again, no answer.

He then sends me a long text saying he's finding the way I talk about money a lot 'unattractive', that he feels I've 'lost sense of reality' because I earn more than the general population does (I'm London based though) and I'm still worried about money (I'd been talking about budgeting the night before as we were going to move in together in September, and I'm generally finding money hard at the mo as have taken a 50% paycut for a job with better longterm prospects than my last), and that I must think he 'shouldn't bother getting out of bed each morning' because of his wage (I earn double the amount he does). He also called me a 'plastic liberal'.

I felt really attacked, and disliked, and I said that over text, and that he should think about whether or not he actually does want to move in with me or not, or even be together, as it doesn't feel like it. He has expressed being insecure about earning less than me a few times, and money DOES come up a lot in our relationship (just as much led by him as it's this weird elephant in the room - it's not come up for me in other relationships so it's not just me) and I have done SO much to reassure him I don't care he earns less, there's different ways of bringing value to a relationship etc. I have said in the future I would see our money as OUR money, not mine vs his, etc to make him feel better and like it's on the same team.

He also can be bitter about his place in life, lack of career (he works quite a menial job in his late 30s), blaming his parents or having a go at 'people with deskjobs' (I have a deskjob!). Again I've been nothing but supportive, telling him I'm proud of him and would support him to retrain in the future if we wants as that's what couples do - they're a team.

Anyway he called, apologised, and we talked for a bit and he agreed he shouldn't have texted that and should have instead thought about what he needed from me (ie talk less about money) and then to me calmly to discuss it. I said it felt like sometimes he was bitter and it was affecting his behaviour, and he said 'oh women, they always like to call men bitter. Fuck off' and put the phone down.

He then instantly called back and apologised. I was very upset. I was honest with him that I felt I needed to walk on eggshells around him in the sense of it's really obvious he is very insecure about his status, and that I didn't like that he criticised people, bringing them down to make himself better, and had now done it to me. I said he hardly ever actually builds me up, or says he's proud of me (and I've worked HARD to have a house on my own in London, I grew up on a council estate, parents have no money and I've put myself through one of the best unis in the country etc all without any financial or other kind of support (I come from a very dysfunctional family). He knows this yet he seems to put me in the same box as all of the 'middle class' entitled people he criticises alot). That I feel I need to play down and pander to him.

He said he was glad I had said that, that he hadn't realised, and that he can see my point. He said he had been a dick, and that he was really sorry. That he had been feeling awful this morning and shouldn't have taken it out on me. He admitted he thinks he's pushing me away because he doesnt think he deserves me, that his friends say things like 'how did you manage that?' when he tells them about me / my achievements, but that he hadn't realised he never tells me how lucky he feels (I sometimes have to ask him for reassurance or praise). I asked him if he wants to be with me, and he said yes, and that he loves me, and that he 'just wants me to be happy' (I think this was code for 'I worry I won't make you happy and maybe breaking up now will mean I won't disappoint you further').

I said I needed some time, and he said he understood. He hasn't been in touch in since we chatted at 1pm, and I wish he had at least texted to say he was really sorry. I imagine he feels ashamed.

The thing is, I'm about to be 38 and want a child. I have been dating for years, and had several boyfriends who are just not right, or don't want kids on the same timeline, or have issues, etc etc. Some of these people had lots of money, but with this guy I chose him for what I thought were the same values and was fine with the idea that we would never be well off and I would just have to work harder (freelance work on top of full time job) to bring money in when needed, as I am lucky enough to be able to do that. We had been planning a future together, which I feel very invested, and I feel so hurt that he's said all this. I don't like his immature approach to conflict, I don't like the swearing and name calling, and I don't like the fact he takes out insecurities on me.

He has acknowledged these are his issues though. So maybe there's hope?

Obviously there are loads of good things about this man that it would take ages to list. I felt like I'd found someone who got me in ways others find hard to, we generally have a lovely time together and he's always made me feel very safe, unlike lots of other guys. He is very emotionally available usually, always there for me and generally good at talking things through. There have been no major conflicts other than this.

WWYD?

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Rainyday4321 · 04/08/2022 21:00

He told you to fuck off and meant it.

that would be a deal breaker for me. I cannot imagine tolerating that from someone who is supposed to love AND respect me. The second part being the crucial bit.

if you are serious about kids I would seriously think about going it solo. Or getting back on the dating scene pronto.

TeaFiend100 · 04/08/2022 21:00

@AchatAVendre that's interesting - he has mentioned he likes the fact I'm not like the other women he's dated, who had less money and liked 'to spend his'. He said he felt anxious with his last girlfriend as she earned so little and relied on him to put bread on table. He's now got the opposite and still isn't happy.

Thanks everyone, these comments are helpful if a little hard to read obviously as I know they're the truth. Please keep them coming. I've somehow lost my phone (in my own house!) but quite enjoying not checking my phone constantly for his texting or calling, and feeling like I'm getting a bit of space to think through. I felt sick earlier, as the insult and swearing was a shock, and no doubt I'll feel really sad soon and miss him as we've been spending every weekend together and talk a lot every day. But at the moment I'm feeling sort of calm, and supported, which your comments have really helped with.

I just worry about being 38. But as you say, no point having a kid with the wrong man. And I do seem to at least find them easy to meet still. I keep thinking the older I get the harder it will be but so far it hasn't been the case. Have to remember that as that fear can keep me in the wrong situations as I'm worried about leaving and having nothing.

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CactusBlossom · 04/08/2022 21:01

YABU to consider a future with him. You want a child -- it sounds like you have one! If you want a baby, don't have one with him, he will always want your attention in competition with any children. Give him the elbow and find someone better (from what you say about him, it can't be that hard). He would make a rubbish house husband, and how would you survive if you gave up work?

In other words YANBU - dump him!

"I felt I needed to walk on eggshells around him" -- this is what it feels like to be with a narcissist. That's no way to live your life. Get shot of him. You've dodged a bullet by not moving in together and not having children with him.

"Obviously there are loads of good things about this man that it would take ages to list." -- but I haven't seen even one mentioned...

Ohhhhladz · 04/08/2022 21:11

IF you think it's worth another try, can you two talk about this in person rather than via text/telephone? If possible agree in advance to let each other have a full say and no one yells or walks out. I don't think it was suprising that he didn't text you or apologise again after you said you needed time; he's doing what you asked and if you want something different, he's not a mindreader.

However, this is a relationship of six months and it sounds like it has moved very fast. You love each other (I assume that means "in love with"), you're planning a future, you've thought through all kinds of finacial arrangements, he's thinking of moving in with you? Do you think you might be pushing something not quite right because of your desire to be settled and have children? Are you settling in a way you would not have 5 or 10 years ago?

Feeling that you have to play down your own accomplishments and strengths and pander to him is probably a red flag; unless you're both really willing to work on this aspect of the relationship it will become unbearable. The insecurity over your salary and the "women always..." stuff makes me think he also might be a bit of a misogynist, but I could be off on that. Also the taking out his anger on you - good that he sees it and apologises, but immature that he does it at his age!

I'd ask yourself: what if he has his current job forever? You say you'd support him to retrain, etc. but would you genuinely support him NOT to? He may be experiencing your current acceptance of his situation as pushing him to focus on work, money, career, etc. more than he genuinely wants to, can commit to, or feels he's even capable of doing. This could possibly work, perhaps even with him happy to be the primary childcarer, eventually, while you focus on career, but not if either of you is wanting and holding out for something different and more traditional.

TeaFiend100 · 04/08/2022 21:18

@Ohhhhladz thanks for your comment, interestingly the only one that's not saying dump him! On the traditional setup thing, we've discussed how we would both be happy with a less traditional one - ie him being the main caregiver if needed at points. He also has a job with funny shift times which mean that he could take the child to school a few times a week etc if we were both working part-time. I think we could make it work. He also likes housework, and does some of mine when he comes over (slightly more than his fair share but not to the extent I'm taking the piss!) and the agreement with moving in was that he'd make sure the house was clean and tidy, and I'd like after food which plays to both of our strengths.

I don't think I'd like going out with a man who wasn't around a lot because of his job and who wanted me to be a SAHM. I'd like to do a year of maternity leave and then go back. And I / we could just about afford childcare for one child, maybe two at an absolute stretch on current salaries but probs not full time so would need to juggle.

We were having such productive conversations about moving in and he seemed so happy and excited. This has really pulled the rug from under my feet. As to whether I would have stayed with him ten years ago, I honestly don't know. I'm such a different person now! I value stability, consistency, kindness - all things he had really demonstrated over and over again, even if on paper he wasn't as 'impressive' as some of my exes (although I do fancy him a lot which def helps!) And yes, probs a bit of a rush because of my age, but also because I'm tired of living alone, of not having someone to share life with, and just generally am in a really good place for a relationship.

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TeaFiend100 · 04/08/2022 21:20

Oh and @Ohhhhladz I would be happy for him to stay in current job yes. Sometimes he seems quite happy in it; it's quite pleasant in a way and keeps him fit. It's just I think he compares himself with others and then feels he needs to change it. If he was happy, I'd be happy. I'd only mentioned retraining as he said he felt that no one respected him because of his job (probs is a bit true, sadly) and that he feels he hasn't used his potential (I do agree with this, he's pretty intelligent but just didn't suit traditional schooling)

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RincewindsHat · 04/08/2022 21:22

Dealbreaker. He's already a twat, what do you think will happen if you have a child with this man? He's not going to magically become a better partner.

RincewindsHat · 04/08/2022 21:24

And my vote is dealbreaker because this guy is already showing you who he is. Do you have another 12 months to waste hanging around, hoping he's going to somehow become someone else, or that if you talk enough his issues with you earning more and his own insecurities about where he is in life will resolve themselves because he's going to mature? You know who he is. If you are willing to settle, keep on. If you're not, you know what to do. It sounds like you just don't want to do it because starting over feels like wasted time.

Isthisit22 · 04/08/2022 21:30

TeaFiend100 · 04/08/2022 21:18

@Ohhhhladz thanks for your comment, interestingly the only one that's not saying dump him! On the traditional setup thing, we've discussed how we would both be happy with a less traditional one - ie him being the main caregiver if needed at points. He also has a job with funny shift times which mean that he could take the child to school a few times a week etc if we were both working part-time. I think we could make it work. He also likes housework, and does some of mine when he comes over (slightly more than his fair share but not to the extent I'm taking the piss!) and the agreement with moving in was that he'd make sure the house was clean and tidy, and I'd like after food which plays to both of our strengths.

I don't think I'd like going out with a man who wasn't around a lot because of his job and who wanted me to be a SAHM. I'd like to do a year of maternity leave and then go back. And I / we could just about afford childcare for one child, maybe two at an absolute stretch on current salaries but probs not full time so would need to juggle.

We were having such productive conversations about moving in and he seemed so happy and excited. This has really pulled the rug from under my feet. As to whether I would have stayed with him ten years ago, I honestly don't know. I'm such a different person now! I value stability, consistency, kindness - all things he had really demonstrated over and over again, even if on paper he wasn't as 'impressive' as some of my exes (although I do fancy him a lot which def helps!) And yes, probs a bit of a rush because of my age, but also because I'm tired of living alone, of not having someone to share life with, and just generally am in a really good place for a relationship.

With respect, OP, it's been 6 months- he hasn't demonstrated consistency, etc. 6 months is nothing. He couldn't even managed to not call you names and tell you to fuck off in that time.

It's a bit worrying you've discussed childcare arrangements in a relationship of 6 months. Please don't let your biological clock lead you to stay with horrible men like this.

ItsDangerousInKingsmarkham · 04/08/2022 21:31

What does he mean by plastic liberal? Like, faux liberal?

Anyhoo, yeah he's a monumental knobend and needs to get in the sea. Throw him back, you deserve so much more.

VladmirsPoutine · 04/08/2022 21:41

When you find yourself feeling so torn over things that you're writing at length even if it were just for journal keeping about a man the usual rule is that he's not for you. I've been in relationships where I even wrote entire pages of things (in my journal) just to get them out. There's no way around the feeling that you're not meant to be together other than just to accept it. It might be sad, but it will be a relief.

Wineinthegarden · 04/08/2022 21:45

Wanting a child is not a good enough reason to stay in a relationship that is so flawed already after just a short time. He’s not the right one.

Doingmybest12 · 04/08/2022 21:49

Is he trying to break things up because he doesn't really want to move in but putting it on you to end it? I think you'll be miserable and anxious with him.

MyHeartSings · 04/08/2022 21:49

Get rid of him. All this crap 6 months in? Get rid and get a sperm donor.

catandcoffee · 04/08/2022 21:59

Isn't a 6 month relationship mean to be the best bit ?
Christ if he's like this 6 months in 🙄

stillherenow · 04/08/2022 22:00

If you have a kid with this man it will make things ten times more complicated when you come to leave.

Believe me I recognise this behaviour. Blaming you/ his ex for all the things wrong for him? Fast moving relationship? Quick to lose temper. All massive red flags.

I absolutely guarantee he will be absolutely lovely for a few weeks now. It's called 'hoovering '

I left my ex thanks to mumsnet. It took 6 years of posting . Please don't be like me and listen to everyone.

TeaFiend100 · 04/08/2022 22:03

@stillherenow he does seem still resentful of his ex eight years later that she apparently made him move to London...which is 'like crack' - ie he didn't feel he could ever go back to where he grew up in the sticks, and because of that has never been able to save enough for his own place etc. I've said time and again that he could have moved back if he wanted to and he needs to let it go. I said today that the bitterness about her was unfair and he denied he was bitter, but he is.

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Alleycat1 · 04/08/2022 22:06

Freelance work on top of a full-time job will probably not be sustainable when you have children. Is he the sort of man who would actually parent his own children, share household chores etc.? If not life would be difficult for you.

Itsnotallblackandwhite · 04/08/2022 22:06

OP, you’ve really latched on to @Ohhhhladz post which is worrying. You’ve only been with this guy 6 months and you’ve had your future together mapped out, even down to him being more of a sahd when the imaginary child(ren) come along. It’s too much. I know your clock is ticking but it’s not worth making a life with someone who belittles and disrespects you because you’re in a panic about having a family before reaching 40.

Personally I think he has £-signs in his eyes already. He won’t want to give you up as you can fund his retraining and lifestyle in general. He’d go for half of everything if you moved in together and had DC’s. Okay Step back and take stock of the situation. You don’t have the time to waste on this guy.

stillherenow · 04/08/2022 22:08

TeaFiend100 · 04/08/2022 22:03

@stillherenow he does seem still resentful of his ex eight years later that she apparently made him move to London...which is 'like crack' - ie he didn't feel he could ever go back to where he grew up in the sticks, and because of that has never been able to save enough for his own place etc. I've said time and again that he could have moved back if he wanted to and he needs to let it go. I said today that the bitterness about her was unfair and he denied he was bitter, but he is.

Imagine him feeling like this about you and you living with him . It's hell on earth.

If you stay with him please do not have a child yet . In fact if you want a child I'd say that's a reason to leave him because you don't have enough time to be sure about him. I really would do it solo. Also, most abuse begins in pregnancy and mine certainly did. He didn't hit me until I was 8 months pregnant . Before that my relationship looked remarkably like yours. You need to be so so sure it's right before having a baby. 6 months in and you're posting on here?

HipsterCoffeeShop · 04/08/2022 22:09

Don't confuse your want for a child with seeing this man as your only option to achieve that.

He sounds like an angry bitter loser (and that's nothing to do with what he earns or doesn't, it's his attitude) who will drag you down.

You want a kid, get a sperm donor. Best of luck OP. But please, bin this guy.

Itsnotallblackandwhite · 04/08/2022 22:09

Sorry, rogue “okay” in my post. It’s not okay!

Regularsizedrudy · 04/08/2022 22:12

Oh my god, throw him back!

SunshineLoving · 04/08/2022 22:12

No way. Dump him.

You do not deserve to be picked apart like that. Picking at little things you've said. Slippery slope to him destroying your confidence.

Good that he's shown his true colours before things get too serious.

TeaFiend100 · 04/08/2022 22:12

@Itsnotallblackandwhite I know what you mean about latching on but I did it partly because they asked me questions that I thought might be useful for others to know. I do agree with what everyone is saying and think I'm going to take a few days to think and not talk to him, and I'll likely end it quite quickly without discussion. I think I just need to let this all sink in a bit as it's a bit of a shock.

But feeling weirdly ok too. I don't want this stress in my life, and seeing this side of him makes him seem unnattractive all of a sudden, and kind of pathetic. I think a little part of me is also a bit unsurprised as I could sense his anger and resentment beneath the surface, but because he presents as a 'good guy' and real softie etc I wanted to believe that he was doing his best to handle any insecurities (which to be fair he was) and that the anger wouldn't be directed at me.

And whereas I can sometimes feel very lonely being single, I know I'm good at dating and getting out there and I've just started a job with a bit more of a social scene etc. I'll be okay.

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