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TeaFiend100 · 04/08/2022 19:43

Woke up this morning to text from boyfriend of 6 months saying I'd upset him with a (goodnatured) little ribbing last night about him spelling something wrong. Said he felt patronised, and that he's 'good at spelling' so it especially annoyed him. I tried to call him and he didn't answer, sent a text saying sorry, acknowledging he had the right to feel that way and saying I wouldn't have ribbed him if his spelling was actually ever an issue. I said I loved and respected him, and wanted to chat through in person. Tried calling again, no answer.

He then sends me a long text saying he's finding the way I talk about money a lot 'unattractive', that he feels I've 'lost sense of reality' because I earn more than the general population does (I'm London based though) and I'm still worried about money (I'd been talking about budgeting the night before as we were going to move in together in September, and I'm generally finding money hard at the mo as have taken a 50% paycut for a job with better longterm prospects than my last), and that I must think he 'shouldn't bother getting out of bed each morning' because of his wage (I earn double the amount he does). He also called me a 'plastic liberal'.

I felt really attacked, and disliked, and I said that over text, and that he should think about whether or not he actually does want to move in with me or not, or even be together, as it doesn't feel like it. He has expressed being insecure about earning less than me a few times, and money DOES come up a lot in our relationship (just as much led by him as it's this weird elephant in the room - it's not come up for me in other relationships so it's not just me) and I have done SO much to reassure him I don't care he earns less, there's different ways of bringing value to a relationship etc. I have said in the future I would see our money as OUR money, not mine vs his, etc to make him feel better and like it's on the same team.

He also can be bitter about his place in life, lack of career (he works quite a menial job in his late 30s), blaming his parents or having a go at 'people with deskjobs' (I have a deskjob!). Again I've been nothing but supportive, telling him I'm proud of him and would support him to retrain in the future if we wants as that's what couples do - they're a team.

Anyway he called, apologised, and we talked for a bit and he agreed he shouldn't have texted that and should have instead thought about what he needed from me (ie talk less about money) and then to me calmly to discuss it. I said it felt like sometimes he was bitter and it was affecting his behaviour, and he said 'oh women, they always like to call men bitter. Fuck off' and put the phone down.

He then instantly called back and apologised. I was very upset. I was honest with him that I felt I needed to walk on eggshells around him in the sense of it's really obvious he is very insecure about his status, and that I didn't like that he criticised people, bringing them down to make himself better, and had now done it to me. I said he hardly ever actually builds me up, or says he's proud of me (and I've worked HARD to have a house on my own in London, I grew up on a council estate, parents have no money and I've put myself through one of the best unis in the country etc all without any financial or other kind of support (I come from a very dysfunctional family). He knows this yet he seems to put me in the same box as all of the 'middle class' entitled people he criticises alot). That I feel I need to play down and pander to him.

He said he was glad I had said that, that he hadn't realised, and that he can see my point. He said he had been a dick, and that he was really sorry. That he had been feeling awful this morning and shouldn't have taken it out on me. He admitted he thinks he's pushing me away because he doesnt think he deserves me, that his friends say things like 'how did you manage that?' when he tells them about me / my achievements, but that he hadn't realised he never tells me how lucky he feels (I sometimes have to ask him for reassurance or praise). I asked him if he wants to be with me, and he said yes, and that he loves me, and that he 'just wants me to be happy' (I think this was code for 'I worry I won't make you happy and maybe breaking up now will mean I won't disappoint you further').

I said I needed some time, and he said he understood. He hasn't been in touch in since we chatted at 1pm, and I wish he had at least texted to say he was really sorry. I imagine he feels ashamed.

The thing is, I'm about to be 38 and want a child. I have been dating for years, and had several boyfriends who are just not right, or don't want kids on the same timeline, or have issues, etc etc. Some of these people had lots of money, but with this guy I chose him for what I thought were the same values and was fine with the idea that we would never be well off and I would just have to work harder (freelance work on top of full time job) to bring money in when needed, as I am lucky enough to be able to do that. We had been planning a future together, which I feel very invested, and I feel so hurt that he's said all this. I don't like his immature approach to conflict, I don't like the swearing and name calling, and I don't like the fact he takes out insecurities on me.

He has acknowledged these are his issues though. So maybe there's hope?

Obviously there are loads of good things about this man that it would take ages to list. I felt like I'd found someone who got me in ways others find hard to, we generally have a lovely time together and he's always made me feel very safe, unlike lots of other guys. He is very emotionally available usually, always there for me and generally good at talking things through. There have been no major conflicts other than this.

WWYD?

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Feetache · 05/08/2022 00:41

Walk away

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user656709 · 05/08/2022 00:57

ItsEll · 04/08/2022 20:20

I was with someone for years who was continuously competitive and jealous of me. There was always tension and felt that I couldn’t be proud of or share my achievements. I was walking on eggshells the whole time. He spoke to me awfully, insulted and swore after me regularly.
My greatest blessing was that I never had children with him, after 6 miserable years, I just walked out and never laid eyes on him again. I’m actually 39 and childless now and as much as I want to have a family, I would never ever ever trade my situation now, to have had kids with him.
Also, not to project, but he started being verbally abusive towards me around the 6 month mark. By year 3 he was physically abusive. It got progressively worse, not better. I’d run a mile from this one, sorry.

Very important point - and sorry to hear you went through this.
I went through something similar and, 12 years post end of relationship, I still scratch my head as to how it evolved as it did without my seeing it for what it was.
the verbal abuse and jealousy (achievements and romantic) also started around the 6 months mark. Always followed by apologies and shows of appreciation for me which would inevitably be followed by more abuse. lead to much confusion and me doubting myself. Moving in together made things much more complicated, and it also happened on a similar timeframe as OP’s.

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oakleaffy · 05/08/2022 01:21

He's bound to start devaluing you even more at some point..He sounds awful. Get rid.
Do not get pregnant with this man either.

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Itsnotallblackandwhite · 05/08/2022 07:35

TeaFiend100 · 04/08/2022 22:12

@Itsnotallblackandwhite I know what you mean about latching on but I did it partly because they asked me questions that I thought might be useful for others to know. I do agree with what everyone is saying and think I'm going to take a few days to think and not talk to him, and I'll likely end it quite quickly without discussion. I think I just need to let this all sink in a bit as it's a bit of a shock.

But feeling weirdly ok too. I don't want this stress in my life, and seeing this side of him makes him seem unnattractive all of a sudden, and kind of pathetic. I think a little part of me is also a bit unsurprised as I could sense his anger and resentment beneath the surface, but because he presents as a 'good guy' and real softie etc I wanted to believe that he was doing his best to handle any insecurities (which to be fair he was) and that the anger wouldn't be directed at me.

And whereas I can sometimes feel very lonely being single, I know I'm good at dating and getting out there and I've just started a job with a bit more of a social scene etc. I'll be okay.

I’m glad to hear it @OP, I was a bit worried that you were looking for a reason to overlook the warning signs.

Honestly, I’ve been were you are. I had a series of relationships between 6 - 18 months long from the age of 35 to 42 and I think my age blinded me to some of the traits of those exes. Whilst I wasn’t desperate for a child, my body clock definitely clouded my better judgment. All my friends were settling down, buying homes (in London) and having children and I wanted that too. I look back and see how I wasted a lot of those years yearning for a lifestyle that I thought I should have, rather than what would have been right for me.

if I had to do it over I would have just tried for a child on my own before the age of 40.

Re: where to meet people, my most successful relationships have been with friends of friends or work colleagues (I’ve never done OLD). Is that an option? Are you on FB? Could you get back in touch with uni friends that way if you aren’t still in touch?

You can get yourself back on the right path to achieve your dreams @TeaFiend100, you’ve done so well to get were you are now. I was the first person in my family to go on to HE and get a degree (we were all in and out of care during our childhoods) and I’m in awe of your achievements x

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FirstAidKitNowPlease · 05/08/2022 07:42

@TeaFiend100

op

I echo everyone else. Walk away and DO NOT TALK IT OUT WITH HIM he will talk you round.
Clean break right now and be ready for the pain for a bit. Have you got a friend to help you not cave when you feel the temporary grief and loss of the relationship?

You need this support and/or a holiday away from home where it will be easier to block him, turn off phone etc.

Good luck and honestly you will have dodged a bullet. I married and had kids with my bullet. We had loads of "great" times with him really appearing kind etc but I know understand that wasn't the real him. The narcissistic twat who is continuing to abuse me 7 year post separation is the real him and always was.

Research abusive relationship patterns you will find lots of links to references made here. Eg hoovering. Also see love bombing. Thing is this man hasn't got got a good handle on keeping up the mask and it keeps slipping. If you accept him apologising after incidents like the fuck off/hang up thing he knows he can get away with behaving like a twat and get away with it. He is controlling you though that behaviour. It's a lot of shite for 6months in though I suspect it's not the first time his done this. Did you get to about 3 months before he started this kind of shit?

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Scuttlingherbert · 05/08/2022 07:44

I read this thread last night and it popped into my head this morning so I came back to post.

What I've learnt from past relationships is that it doesn't matter how good the good bits are. What you should judge a relationship on is how bad the bad bits are. I stayed in two relationships that made me feel horrendous when they were bad, for different reasons, because the highs so amazing.

How you get through problems together is such a deal-breaker for a happy life.

I recently had a baby and empathised with the bit about wanting a baby. I remember in the early days thinking I was so glad I had her with my husband and not any of my exes because it is a real test of your relationship. You want someone who can be 100% there without any undercurrents.

A friend met her partner on the Times dating website. Not sure if it's still going. This friend is much more Guardian than Times but she found there were more likeminded people on there. I had a look and it didn't seem for me (ages ago) but could be worth a look for men who won't be intimidated?

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FirstAidKitNowPlease · 05/08/2022 07:51

@Scuttlingherbert nails it!

"it doesn't matter how good the good bits are. What you should judge a relationship on is how bad the bad bits are"

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ittakes2 · 05/08/2022 07:55

I am sorry I think you might be better off being a single parent through a donation and looking for a long term love after that. He sounds like a child and you don’t need to spend your life boosting his ego.

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MacaroniBaloney · 05/08/2022 08:08

If he's this awful 6 months in then it's only going to get much worse!

I don't think he respects women full stop. From what you've said he had a previous girlfriend leach off him and another forced him to move to london. Red flags when all the exs are terrible.

I'm in a non traditional relationship, but the difference is my DP is happy in his job with his wage. He's never belittled me or my job or wage. He's not a dick and can see the benefits it brings!

Stand firm on this one, dont be swayed. He's an awful man treating you terribly.

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Longdistance · 05/08/2022 08:21

Gosh, that’s awful. Imagine having kids with this pos and being saddled with him for life.
Go meet someone. 6 months in shouldn’t be this hard.

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Sartre · 05/08/2022 08:24

Ahh it’s totally obvious what is happening here. He’s extremely insecure about himself, his life, his job, his income etc and you only make this worse because you’re more successful than he is so it highlights the insecurities. Your relationship won’t work long term I’m afraid so don’t move in with him, I’d just end things now tbh.

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TeaFiend100 · 05/08/2022 08:54

@Itsnotallblackandwhite Thank you, that's really kind of you to say. TBH whereas I know i've done well I also sometimes regret going to Oxbridge and 'moving class'. I come across as quite middle class, and pretty much all of my exes have been, but I never feel quite at home with their families and I am always super nervous of what they'll think of mine - a couple have been quite snobby, and it's always an anxiety when I'm dating.

So I was really relieved to have found a nice man who came from a similar background to me who said that he was attracted to strong, ambitious women. And he was the first to really get on with my family - they were so excited about him.

Sorry, realise this has turned into a woe is me. Of course I don't date for class, I date for the person. But it's quite a common experience for people to 'move classes' to feel they don't fit in anywhere, and I definitely do relate to that, and I think it makes it hard to find someone who's really suited to me - because I can relate to so many kinds of people, I find it hard to filter! And to know what's actually right for me. This man reminded me of home. We had the same sense of humour. The same music taste. We could relate on lots of levels I haven't had before about our families. It's such a shame.

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whumpthereitis · 05/08/2022 09:20

His mask has started to slip. He’s apologizing not because he means it, he’s apologizing because he hasn’t fully secured you yet. As much as he resents you for it and intends to drag you down, he wants what you can offer him. Hence the cleaning and the ‘thoughtful’ behaviors, they’re not for your benefit, but his. I imagine he wants to marry (even if he’s currently playing cool on the subject), so he’s in a position where he could take at least half of everything you have. Maybe more if he sets himself up as primary carer. Any children you had he would be the main influence over, and don’t think he wouldn’t weaponize them against you. He would instill his misogyny.

If you went ahead, moved in with him and got pregnant, you would see the man he really is and wish you had paid attention to these red flags. You risk losing everything you’ve ever worked for.

Run.

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Itsnotallblackandwhite · 05/08/2022 09:33

Honestly @TeaFiend100, I’ve been lucky enough to have met people from all walks of life (from titled aristocracy to working with homeless men and women). When I first met lords, ladies, admirals and the like I felt a bit out of my depth and was sure they’d look down on me. None of them did. My role involved arranging events and sitting down to dinner with them afterwards. They were all lovely, easy to talk to and interested in me (or did a good job of feigning it). My sister is ‘new money’ worth millions and is frankly quite horrid to people she sees as beneath her now. She also thinks I’m a snob because I’m educated (I think my educational success makes her feel inferior). God forbid that I ever mention in company the disadvantaged northern town that we grew up in!

i understand completely where you are coming from, but not all families from upper classes (for want of a better phrase) are snobby, just as not all mc/wc people are ‘salt of the earth’.

your BF sounds like an inverted snob, which is as bad as regular snobbery in my mind.

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TeaFiend100 · 05/08/2022 09:42

@Itsnotallblackandwhite totally agree. I've said to boyfriend a few times he needs to stop demonising people that have more money than him, and that in my experience there's no correlation between kindness and wealth. One of my richest friends is also the most aware of his privilege, and he is a thoughtful and generous person that relates to people just simply as fellow humans. I don't think boyfriend believes that on one level, possibly because he's in a job where he feels people treat him badly because of his status (to be fair they probably do) and it's given him a bit of a complex.

I realise the irony of me saying it was nice to be going out with someone from a similar background to me. I just find it hard to meet someone who feels comfy with my family. And there's so much crap in my family that it can be embarrassing - they're not a very functional bunch. But I guess I have to remember they don't define me, and you get loads of dysfunction at all levels of society.

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Phosphorescent · 05/08/2022 09:43

curiouslypacific · 04/08/2022 20:40

This man is following the script for being abusive. He'll be nice to you for a little while now so you think he's changed. Then he'll find some other reason to take issue with you, probably over something entirely trivial, just to keep you off balance. One day you'll wake up and realise you're always on edge, watching what you say and do so as not to upset him. That you can never relax in your own house; that whatever you do, it's never quite enough to make him happy. Even worse you'll watch your kids grow up tiptoeing around daddy, fearful and trying not to upset him - learning that their needs are secondary to those of an angry insecure man.

This 100%
Run

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TheWrongAllmanBrother · 05/08/2022 09:49

Honestly, chuck this one back in the sea. More red flags than a Liverpool FC match.

Sounds like he has some seriously off and deep-seated insecurities, bitterness and misogynistic views around women. None of this is your problem to fix and will only make you miserable in the long-run. You deserve much, much better.

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Exhaustedcog · 05/08/2022 09:54

This reminds me of that Maya Angelou quote- when someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time.

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Ivyruin · 05/08/2022 10:10

My ex was like this. Used to try and belittle me each time. Would question how I got my career being a single parent. Like I didn't deserve it or something. He had a good job but lived beyond his needs. Whereas I have what I need and don't throw money away. I bought myself a new car and I was so proud of myself as I never thought I'd ever have a car like this. So he went out and bought a fancy Mercedes on his credit card as he wanted a better car than me. My dad raised me better than to put up with that crap. I lasted less than a year with him!! It's been 3 years and he still hovers around!!

Best advice I can give, give the closure then cut contact. Don't try and be friends, you'll never get rid of him. These type of people with drain the life out of you.

Good luck. I hope you meet someone who deserves you x

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AchatAVendre · 05/08/2022 11:09

I've said to boyfriend a few times he needs to stop demonising people that have more money than him, and that in my experience there's no correlation between kindness and wealth. One of my richest friends is also the most aware of his privilege, and he is a thoughtful and generous person that relates to people just simply as fellow humans. I don't think boyfriend believes that on one level, possibly because he's in a job where he feels people treat him badly because of his status (to be fair they probably do) and it's given him a bit of a complex.

Theres a lot of that attitude about though, especially amongst some men, or at least those are the people I've heard it from. Especially in Scotland...sometimes one of them you don't know all that well will come out with something like "rich people buying fancy Mercedes" or "the privileged rich" when talking about a professional job thats required a lot of training. And it really just sounds like sour grapes. I suspect its because a lot of men in the past didn't actually have to work that hard at all in order to walk into quite a well paid job for life.

TBH whereas I know i've done well I also sometimes regret going to Oxbridge and 'moving class'. I come across as quite middle class, and pretty much all of my exes have been, but I never feel quite at home with their families and I am always super nervous of what they'll think of mine - a couple have been quite snobby, and it's always an anxiety when I'm dating.

You sound as though you lack confidence and snobbishness is extremely low class. Avoid middle class families and maybe try to meet someone with similar aspirations and motivations to yourself who doesn't spend half his life either with his family or worrying about what they think. Someone a little more independent. Although be wary of the so-called "landed gentry" type - a lot of them are looking to marry into money. My friend was told, somewhat sorrowfully by one that although he really liked her, he was really looking for someone with a grouse moor or equivalent Grin

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TeaFiend100 · 05/08/2022 11:35

He's coming over for 7. I'm going to see what he has to say, and then probably dump him. Feeling a bit sick. But also like I can't even bear the idea of him ever touching me again.

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Snoredoeurve · 05/08/2022 15:24

Theres a lot of that attitude about though, especially amongst some men, or at least those are the people I've heard it from. Especially in Scotland...sometimes one of them you don't know all that well will come out with something like "rich people buying fancy Mercedes" or "the privileged rich" when talking about a professional job thats required a lot of training. And it really just sounds like sour grapes. I suspect its because a lot of men in the past didn't actually have to work that hard at all in order to walk into quite a well paid job for life.

I think its because they feel, as men, that they are entitled to have a great life, job etc and there is a huge amount of sneering and negativity to people , particularly women who have done well.
How dare you do better than him.
I work with a man like this who pretends to be nice,liberal etc but who is the most PA and bitter person.
He has a huge chip on his shoulder regarding anyone who owns a house, despite him frittering away 40K redundancy money.

You have seen this man for who he really is now,also in the lovebombing stage of abuse they mirror everything , your likes and opinions.
6 months and moving in is fast tracking the relationship, was this his idea?
Be wary because he will likely be round swearing undying love later.
Base your next action on his behaviour not his words

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billy1966 · 05/08/2022 15:40

OP, get into therapy quick.

It reads like you want to marry down to fit in with your dysfunctional family.

Wtf are you thinking.

Why would you want anyone who fits in with them?

You have worked hard, you deserve your success.

Don't sabotage yourself by marrying an insecure, bitter oaf, just because he fits in with your fxxked up family.

There are lots of men out there, the choice isn't pompous arse/bitter insecure oaf.

Expect him to turn all apologetand try to hoover you back in when he realises how upset you are.

He told you to fxxk off.
A icky little bitter man who is still bitching about his lucky girlfriend who escaped 8 YEARS AGO.

Ffs ........8 years ago. Lucky girl.

You will bitterly regret giving this idiot a second chance.

Unforgivably silly to even consider moving in, having babies with an angry man who has you walking on eggshells.

What an awful mistake that would be.

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FictionalCharacter · 05/08/2022 15:52

Bingo @AchatAVendre “I suspect its because a lot of men in the past didn't actually have to work that hard at all in order to walk into quite a well paid job for life.”
Indeed - and those jobs were considered to be for men, not for women.

Well done @TeaFiend100 . This isn’t easy but you’ll feel better without him after the initial sadness.

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Itsnotallblackandwhite · 06/08/2022 11:12

How did it go last night @TeaFiend100? Are you okay? X

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